Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[TopCat]

*salutes El Capitan pedantic




seriously look up the condition of the north Korean army.. going to war in Ukraine would be a welcome adventure with food after that

more than likely just defect to get away from going home

Where might be an authoritative account of life in the NK Army?

 

[Ax^]

Where might be an authoritative account of life in the NK Army?

What I have learned about suffering after escaping North Korea

I spent a decade in the North Korean army before being released in 2010. Shortly after that, I escaped from North Korea to South Korea, lived in Canada for two years, and earned a master's degree in public administration from Korea University.

www.koreatimes.co.kr

as always the views of other defectors are available

 

[StoneRoad]

I see more reports of executing POWs in recent weeks ...

Ukraine denounces reported execution of troops in Kursk

Kyiv's human rights ombudsman has written to the UN, after reports that Russia executed Ukrainian PoWs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[StoneRoad]

I see more reports of executing POWs in recent weeks ...

Ukraine denounces reported execution of troops in Kursk

Kyiv's human rights ombudsman has written to the UN, after reports that Russia executed Ukrainian PoWs.

www.bbc.co.uk

e2a
over 90 POWs murdered, in contravention of the Geneva Conventions, so far in 2024, and this disgusting tactic appears to be happening more often.

ISW suggests Russian commanders likely encourage execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war - ISW

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

taken from [scroll down a bit - a couple of paragraphs under the first map]

Institute for the Study of War

Russian forces have recently resumed tactical offensive attacks in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area and have made tactical gains in localized assaults, but this activity so far does not appear to be a part of a larger operational offensive

www.understandingwar.org

 

[Pickman's model]

Where might be an authoritative account of life in the NK Army?

i'd try tertitskiy's 'the north korean army: history, structure, daily life' (abingdon: routledge, 2023) myself

The North Korean Army: History, Structure, Daily Life

This book focuses on the Korean People’s Army (KPA) - the armed forces of North Korea - covering its history, structural organisation and lives of the soldiers and officers within its ranks. Utilising extensive Korean, English, Russian and Chinese language sources, as well as multiple...

www.routledge.com

 

[Dystopiary]

Another journalist was killed. She was only 27.

Viktoriia Roshchyna disappeared in August last year; nine months later Russian authorities confirmed she was detained.

This week, her father got a terse letter from the defence ministry in Moscow informing him that Viktoriia was dead, aged 27.

The document said the journalist’s body would be returned in one of the swaps organised by Russia and Ukraine for soldiers killed on the battlefield. The death date was given as 19 September.

Viktoriia Roshchyna: Ukrainian journalist who chronicled Russian occupation dies in prison

 

[editor]

Another journalist was killed. She was only 27.

Viktoriia Roshchyna disappeared in August last year; nine months later Russian authorities confirmed she was detained.



Viktoriia Roshchyna: Ukrainian journalist who chronicled Russian occupation dies in prison

Viktoriia Roshchyna disappeared in August 2023 in a part of Ukraine now occupied by Russian forces.

It took nine months for Russian authorities to confirm the journalist had been detained. They gave no reason.

This week, her father got a terse letter from the defence ministry in Moscow informing him that Viktoriia was dead, aged 27.

The document said the journalist’s body would be returned in one of the swaps organised by Russia and Ukraine for soldiers killed on the battlefield. The death date was given as 19 September.

Again, there was no explanation.

I really hope that Putin and all the other vile individuals guilty of committing war crimes face justice in the near future.

 

[Dogsauce]

Kazakhstan has been explicitly trying to move out of the Russian sphere of influence. They're just too frightened with current events to cut them off. And that is by design.

They’re also making a fuckton of money re-exporting sanctioned goods into Russia, I guess they’re scared to stop that too and not just filling their pockets.

 

[The39thStep]

Ukraine now allows 130 brigades to directly recruit rather than them relying on the national draft centres. Photo is from the filming of the Azov led 3rd Assault Brigade recruitment campaign. recruitment

 

[TopCat]

Ukraine now allows 130 brigades to directly recruit rather than them relying on the national draft centres. Photo is from the filming of the Azov led 3rd Assault Brigade recruitment campaign. recruitment


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Less Nazi insignia and more ridiculous imagery. I hope it works and more people who know and support Azov join up.

 

[tim]

Where might be an authoritative account of life in the NK Army?

New Malden has the largest North Korean community outside Asia. I'm sure some enterprising Urban journalist find someone to tell them some yarns over a few bottles of soju.

 

[Chz]

They’re also making a fuckton of money re-exporting sanctioned goods into Russia, I guess they’re scared to stop that too and not just filling their pockets.

Profit's going to come above any other concerns, for sure! Even Georgia, recently invaded and with an ongoing border dispute, is minting it.

 

[TopCat]

New Malden has the largest North Korean community outside Asia. I'm sure some enterprising Urban journalist find someone to tell them some yarns over a few bottles of soju.

I think the link Pickmans put up is really worth reading a lot of.

 

[Dogsauce]

It’s reported that some North Korean soldiers have already used the opportunity of being mobilised to the front to escape to ‘the West’, though probably bollocks as not seen confirmation they’re actually there yet. Supposedly something like 5000 are on the way.

I wonder what will happen with POWs in this scenario? What would the convention be - return to NK or offer asylum?

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s reported that some North Korean soldiers have already used the opportunity of being mobilised to the front to escape to ‘the West’, though probably bollocks as not seen confirmation they’re actually there yet. Supposedly something like 5000 are on the way.

I wonder what will happen with POWs in this scenario? What would the convention be - return to NK or offer asylum?

Yeh its always either or, never some other option egs sending to south Korea or a country of their choice, which if word got out might lead to many kpa personnel surrendering, if common narratives about the dprk are as true as we're often told

 

[Ax^]

I think the link Pickmans put up is really worth reading a lot of.

have a mint for your troubles

 

[The39thStep]

It’s reported that some North Korean soldiers have already used the opportunity of being mobilised to the front to escape to ‘the West’, though probably bollocks as not seen confirmation they’re actually there yet. Supposedly something like 5000 are on the way.

I wonder what will happen with POWs in this scenario? What would the convention be - return to NK or offer asylum?

Reporting on this is all over the place, for example, I've read that some DPRK workers have been in Russia for some time employed in factories and that some DPRK soldiers have already been killed. There's also the question about where they would be utilised, Kursk has been mentioned for example rather than aiding the Russian advance in Ukraine.

As for escaping to the West, I wonder if they might be seen as 'trophy' asylum seekers by the EU or whether they will suffer the same treatment as others at the borders.

 

[TopCat]

Reporting on this is all over the place, for example, I've read that some DPRK workers have been in Russia for some time employed in factories and that some DPRK soldiers have already been killed. There's also the question about where they would be utilised, Kursk has been mentioned for example rather than aiding the Russian advance in Ukraine.

As for escaping to the West, I wonder if they might be seen as 'trophy' asylum seekers by the EU or whether they will suffer the same treatment as others at the borders.

Defectors from the north who comply with the western narrative about PRNK generally get looked after. Does not improve trust in their accounts.

 

[Ax^]

Aye it all a NATO plot to tarnish their reputation and north Korea really is a lovely place to live ..

the bastard's

 

[emanymton]

For anyone who doubts how far gone some on here are, here they are defending the workers paradise of North Korea.

 

[maomao]

I've spoken to plenty of North Koreans in China and even one in a pub in Kentish Town (selling DVDs, made it over with the snakeheads after escaping to China) and never heard anything to counter the narrative that it's a complete shithole for 99% of the population. Though, if anything, the army probably have it marginally easier.

 

[The39thStep]

For anyone who doubts how far gone some on here are, here they are defending the workers paradise of North Korea.

Who are these posters ?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Defectors from the north who comply with the western narrative about PRNK generally get looked after. Does not improve trust in their accounts.

Which narrative do you trust?

 

[The39thStep]

Zelensky has appraised the Ukrainian Parliament about his 'victory plan' . There are five main points and three confidential annexes

1. Invitation to join NATO
2. More weapons, faster delivery, no restrictions on use
3. Non-nuclear strategic deterrence package that will be sufficient to protect Ukraine from any military threat from Russia ( according to the Washington Post this also includes Ukraine’s neighbors will conducting joint air defense operations to protect Ukraine’s skies )
4. Partners from the European Union and U.S. sign a special agreement on common use of Ukraine’s critical resources
5. Post war deployment of Ukrainian units to replace some US troops in Europe

Here’s what’s in Zelenskyy’s victory plan for beating Putin

Ukraine wants weapons and security guarantees to show Moscow it can’t win the war.

www.politico.eu

Washington Post https://archive.ph/QzrlQ

Thoughts?

 

[Chz]

Thoughts/

He would say all that. I don't think he'll get any of it while the war is still ongoing though. Not even if Harris wins the US election. NATO has been very clear on a number of occasions that no-one in an active war can join NATO.

The exact weapons were not revealed by Zelenskyy in his speech to parliament, but he said leaders in the U.S., Germany, France and the U.K. know Kyiv's asks.

AKA, "We know, and the answer is maybe, eventually, at best."
I'm sure anyone following will know I've been highly critical of the West's drip-feed of support, so I'm in favour of it happening. I just don't believe it will. What's different today that wasn't the same yesterday?

But hey, I've been wrong before so I suppose there's hope. Like Australia just announced 49 M1A1s they're sending over.

 

[TopCat]

Which narrative do you trust?

There isn’t much to go on. Everyone invested is less than straightforward.

History is a good guide as to moral actors here.

 

[TopCat]

Zelensky has appraised the Ukrainian Parliament about his 'victory plan' . There are five main points and three confidential annexes

1. Invitation to join NATO
2. More weapons, faster delivery, no restrictions on use
3. Non-nuclear strategic deterrence package that will be sufficient to protect Ukraine from any military threat from Russia ( according to the Washington Post this also includes Ukraine’s neighbors will conducting joint air defense operations to protect Ukraine’s skies )
4. Partners from the European Union and U.S. sign a special agreement on common use of Ukraine’s critical resources
5. Post war deployment of Ukrainian units to replace some US troops in Europe

Here’s what’s in Zelenskyy’s victory plan for beating Putin

Ukraine wants weapons and security guarantees to show Moscow it can’t win the war.

www.politico.eu

Washington Post https://archive.ph/QzrlQ

Thoughts?

It’s unrealistic to the point of delusion.

 

[ska invita]

Zelensky has appraised the Ukrainian Parliament about his 'victory plan' . There are five main points and three confidential annexes

1. Invitation to join NATO
2. More weapons, faster delivery, no restrictions on use
3. Non-nuclear strategic deterrence package that will be sufficient to protect Ukraine from any military threat from Russia ( according to the Washington Post this also includes Ukraine’s neighbors will conducting joint air defense operations to protect Ukraine’s skies )
4. Partners from the European Union and U.S. sign a special agreement on common use of Ukraine’s critical resources
5. Post war deployment of Ukrainian units to replace some US troops in Europe

Here’s what’s in Zelenskyy’s victory plan for beating Putin

Ukraine wants weapons and security guarantees to show Moscow it can’t win the war.

www.politico.eu

Washington Post https://archive.ph/QzrlQ

Thoughts?

Point 4 is interesting " Partners from the European Union and U.S. sign a special agreement on common use of Ukraine’s critical resources"

Theres already been a massive firesale buy out of Ukraine resources by the west since the war started...competition from the west and russia over ownership of resources is a big part of the roots of this war....It all feels a little desperate....US planners have long ago accounted for all of the loot, thats their job. As a new bribe it will be met with 'yeah we know' shrugs Id imagine

 

[Elpenor]

Feel for the Ukrainians, giving their lives amid all this needless slaughter, then the ones who survive will find their country sold off by their leaders to US corporate interests.

 

[ska invita]

Feel for the Ukrainians, giving their lives amid all this needless slaughter, then the ones who survive will find their country sold off by their leaders to US corporate interests.

Theres a lot of anti German and American resentment in Poland for their part in buying up Poland for cheap, but Ukraine will be next level

Both prisoners of geography, stuck between two wedges of the competing imperial vice (if you get my metaphor)