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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

Cant pick out a bit to quote as it's disaster after disaster

Sending new forced young recruits to the frontline with no training is the worst of it in there for me
Strategically, removing battle hardened troops from the eastern front to go on a jaunt in Kursk, replacing them with press ganged kids looks increasingly deranged.
 

Chinese banks are shutting down transactions with Russia "en masse," with delays in payments intensifying during August, Reuters reported on Aug. 30, citing sources familiar with the matter.

The U.S. unveiled a new set of sanctions against Chinese and Russian companies over their support for Moscow's aggression last week. Despite efforts to avoid or mitigate the impact of the trade restrictions, Chinese institutions have begun scaling back their business dealings with Russia.

Specifically, a number of major Chinese banks have begun blocking transactions for electronics out of fear of secondary sanctions.

Transactions worth tens of billions of yuan are currently stuck in limbo, a source told Reuters.

It's just the latest case of mounting obstacles in Russian-Chinese economic relations amid the growing pressure of U.S. sanctions imposed over Moscow's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Trade between Russia and China has surged by 121% since 2021, underscoring China's role as Moscow's economic lifeline.
 
They can’t supply their troops on the front line if Pokrovsk falls is how I understand it.
Yes it's a key logistics hub....
You posted a few days ago Zelensky was going to, what seemed to me, set out new terms for a peace negotiation, presumably from a position of increased power resulting from the incursion over the Russian border..... Now looks like it will be from a much weaker position than before. Massive fuck up if so
 
Yes it's a key logistics hub....
You posted a few days ago Zelensky was going to, what seemed to me, set out new terms for a peace negotiation, presumably from a position of increased power resulting from the incursion over the Russian border..... Now looks like it will be from a much weaker position than before. Massive fuck up if so
Their options were terrible to be fair.
 
Le Monde quoting sources in the far right alleging that Budanov's GUR and the far right Russian Volunteer Force and Freedom of Russia Legion were omitted from the Kursk invasion 'but not for military reasons'.

"It's more for personal reasons: [Ukrainian army commander General Oleksandr] Syrskyi, who has a certain rivalry with [military intelligence chief General Kyrylo] Budanov, wanted his moment of glory if the operation was successful."

 
Depends a lot on the outcome of the war, doesn't it?
not really. churchill got a rude shock when after leading the country to victory in europe he was ejected from downing street. zelensky may have a similar experience even if ukraine achieves its objectives as he will be largely associated with the conflict and the ukrainians may desire a different personality to lead the more difficult task of rebuilding the country
 
not really. churchill got a rude shock when after leading the country to victory in europe he was ejected from downing street. zelensky may have a similar experience even if ukraine achieves its objectives as he will be largely associated with the conflict and the ukrainians may desire a different personality to lead the more difficult task of rebuilding the country
And suffer the unfortunate fate of being memorialised as a national hero as Churchill has been?
 
Do you think the possible outcomes include success for Ukraine?
It is one of the possible outcomes, yes, and there are several outcomes short of full victory (eviction of Russian forces from Crimea and all pre-2014 Ukrainian territory) which could be framed as a kind of victory. Preventing Russia advancing further than it currently has (and perhaps taking back more coastline) and gaining some kind of security assurances (e.g. presence of NATO soldiers) could also be construed as a victory.
 
It is one of the possible outcomes, yes, and there are several outcomes short of full victory (eviction of Russian forces from Crimea and all pre-2014 Ukrainian territory) which could be framed as a kind of victory. Preventing Russia advancing further than it currently has (and perhaps taking back more coastline) and gaining some kind of security assurances (e.g. presence of NATO soldiers) could also be construed as a victory.
Do you seen any of those as likely?
 
The rasputitsa will be coming soon which will slow down advances on all fronts for both sides, there is positive news for Ukraine coming about the Russian Pokrovsk advance anyway apparently.
It's September. There'll be another frost or two before the rasputitsa.
 
Positive news apparently? What do you know?
Only rumours from a poster on another forum who frequently gets mainly correct info before the media does. Apparently Russia has a severe shortage of shells & are losing a lot of armour on the Pokrovsk front.
 
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