ska invita
back on the other side
No USA either aside from token underling ( you did mention that I just noticed)
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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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ska invita
back on the other side
"Desire" is one thing, reality another. My list of antimilitarist desires is longer than my arm. Doesn't mean much when you look at the last twenty years of illegal global wars.
I was with an ex soldier friend last week (currently just about living on disability allowance as is the norm), we were taking about Ukraine and Russia, his feeling was the West should've gone in full force from the start, Western troops in, and called Putin's bluff. This at least is logical, even though I couldn't support that for fear of the fallout.
What we both agreed on though is the current situation is disastrous.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nope , its not a polemic and if you read it you might come to the conclusion that it's not a period of history that one can easily swap as an analogy for the situation in Ukraine . Its only a few bob on Kindle.
spitfire
Minister for Balloons (retd.)
Just picked one up from Abebooks for £3.59, free shipping, thanks for the nudge.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
No, they asked for more than they occupy, a puppet leadership etc.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
No it isn't. It's the preliminary demand incorporating declawing to enable the main meal. You know this, it's imperialism 101.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
wasn't defanging a popular buzzword on this thread for a while?
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Russia: if you give up your nuclear weapons don't join NATO or the European union you can keep all your country and we will respect your borders.
Ukraine: OK we will do that.
Russia ( crosses border) : if you don't join NATO etc we will just keep Crimea and respect your borders.
Ukraine: You agreed and now you have broken the agreement!
Russia(invades again): if you let us keep what we have occupied already and promise not to ask for any of it back and promise to not join NATO etc. We will respect your borders.
Ukraine: ??
Ukraine: OK we will do that.
Russia ( crosses border) : if you don't join NATO etc we will just keep Crimea and respect your borders.
Ukraine: You agreed and now you have broken the agreement!
Russia(invades again): if you let us keep what we have occupied already and promise not to ask for any of it back and promise to not join NATO etc. We will respect your borders.
Ukraine: ??
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
The start as when he annexed Crimea?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
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ska invita
back on the other side
I dont understand what you are saying , can you elaborate?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Your neighbour breaks into your house. He stabs you, rapes your wife, steals your TV, and sets fire to your kitchen.
He says that he'll go away and promise not come back if you a) throw all your kitchen knives in the bin. b) take the locks off your front and back doors. c) cut the phone line so you can't call the Police.
You agree, because that can't go wrong at all, and you're the dumbest fuck ever to walk the earth.
HTH.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Drop your weapons to enable us to kill you more easily.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Let me add this to the Urban75 list of house analogies for the Russian invasion
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
As an aside, I bet there's some US/UK/etc. assets in Russia earning their money atm.
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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
He is still a master strategist :hmm: At 2D Snakes & Ladders not 4D Chess
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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
My starting point was actually the book 'Collar the Lot' by Peter Gilman which I read some time ago and would recommend to you. Completely coincidentally, someone literally just shared this with me. Haven't listened to it yet but definitely will. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01s37f3
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you take the piss but you wouldn't find it so funny if putin came round your house, raped your cat, shit in your dishwasher, licked your ice cream and called your nan a cunt, would you?Let me add this to the Urban75 list of house analogies for the Russian invasion
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
As an aside, I bet there's some US/UK/etc. assets in Russia earning their money atm.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
He is still a master strategist :hmm: At 2D Snakes & Ladders not 4D Chess
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
My starting point was actually the book 'Collar the Lot' by Peter Gilman which I read some time ago and would recommend to you. Completely coincidentally, someone literally just shared this with me. Haven't listened to it yet but definitely will. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01s37f3
Silas Loom
Advanced. Forthright. Signifficant.
Lol, rape. After Bucha.
whether israel or ukraine, the favourite word of the propagandist.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The favourite denial of the ocean going cunt....
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Harry Enfield sketch redux
content warning please. this has brought back when putin came on my boat, keelhauled my parrot and took me below deck to search for the golden rivet.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
New York Times with what seems to be the most complete summary of the failed peace negotiations in 2022
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm seem like the same deal Putin's offering 2 years later
www.nytimes.com
The Sticking Points That Kept Russia and Ukraine Apart
Documents from 2022 shed new light on what prevented Ukraine and Russia from ending the war — and what would complicate a future negotiation.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think they've ratched up the demands a notch tbh.hmm seem like the same deal Putin's offering 2 years later
The Sticking Points That Kept Russia and Ukraine Apart
Documents from 2022 shed new light on what prevented Ukraine and Russia from ending the war — and what would complicate a future negotiation.
interesting sunday times article about financial costs,
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russia overtakes u.s. as gas supplier to europe,
www.ft.com
Russia overtook US as gas supplier to Europe in May
Rise in market share highlights difficulty of weaning the region off Russian energy
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
After reading the docs:
If he comes out of the room you've given him and starts beating you up, you’ll need his consent to get someone to help you.
I can't believe BoJo didn't go for it.
can we have a separate "what if ukraine was your house" thread?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Don't you just love the market. Even when you're bombing shit out of each other you can agree to uphold contracts and pipe the enemy's gas through your country.russia overtakes u.s. as gas supplier to europe,
Russia overtook US as gas supplier to Europe in May
Rise in market share highlights difficulty of weaning the region off Russian energy
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