TopCat
Putin fanboy
Why?
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Horrendous incident which deserves a far better news source than a tweet from the former leader of the far right Right Sector in Odessa who has faced charges of kidnapping, murder and robbery.
Russia Destroys ‘Harry Potter Castle’ on Odesa Seaside With Missile Strike, Killing at Least 5 People
At least 5 people were killed and 32 injured when Russia launched an Iskander missile with cluster munitions at one of Odesa’s most recognizable seaside buildings.
www.kyivpost.com
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
No idea whether this is true but worth watching I'd have thought ...
www.businessinsider.com
Ukraine's new ATACMS could make Crimea 'militarily worthless,' war expert says
Long-range ATACMS supplied by the US to Ukraine could strike Crimea, a crucial logistics and military hub for Russia, hard, a military analyst said.
www.businessinsider.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It looks to be true. Will it up the ante in the tit for tat lob missiles stakes?No idea whether this is true but worth watching I'd have thought ...
Ukraine's new ATACMS could make Crimea 'militarily worthless,' war expert says
Long-range ATACMS supplied by the US to Ukraine could strike Crimea, a crucial logistics and military hub for Russia, hard, a military analyst said.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I think Russia has already escalated the missile war. But one thing they are doing is building new airstrips inside their own country, because Ukraine isn’t allowed to use western weapons to strike those. That way they can keep bombing frontline towns to rubble even after the Crimean airbases are taken out of action.
Rumours that F16s may appear soon, but I’m not expecting much, in the same way all the fuss about western-supplied tanks didn’t amount to anything noticeable (though Bradley fighting vehicles have been well received and made some difference - more on the way).
TopCat
Putin fanboy
News from the front. The salient Russian forces have created has gone through/bypassed Ukraine defence lines.
Zelensky says new weapons will facilitate Ukrainian counter offensives. No one agrees. Russia seizes more ground in Ukraine’s east as Kyiv’s forces await supplies
Zelensky says new weapons will facilitate Ukrainian counter offensives. No one agrees. Russia seizes more ground in Ukraine’s east as Kyiv’s forces await supplies
JimW
支那暗杀团
AP has a sobering piece on Ukrainian defensive fortifications or lack thereof:
apnews.com
No safety in retreat: Ukrainian soldiers say rear defensive lines barely exist amid Russian advance
The much awaited aid package is expected to help Ukraine close the firepower gap. But until replenishments arrive, Russia will continue to exploit Ukraine's weaknesses.
apnews.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The dragons teeth look a bit scabby.AP has a sobering piece on Ukrainian defensive fortifications or lack thereof:
No safety in retreat: Ukrainian soldiers say rear defensive lines barely exist amid Russian advance
The much awaited aid package is expected to help Ukraine close the firepower gap. But until replenishments arrive, Russia will continue to exploit Ukraine's weaknesses.
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Reaching out
There is no truth in the rumour that Russia are using chemical weapons. They have signed the convention weapons convention don't you know!
www.bbc.co.uk
Russia using chemical choking agents in Ukraine, US says - BBC News
The state department says Moscow has used a World War One-era weapon to "dislodge" Ukrainian troops.
www.bbc.co.uk
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It’s not a rumour is it? Reports of CS gas grenades being dropped on Ukrainian trenches being confirmed. It was surreal yesterday watching ticker tape condemnation of the same from the US whilst watching US police attack students with great plumes of CS gas.There is no truth in the rumour that Russia are using chemical weapons. They have signed the convention weapons convention don't you know!
Russia using chemical choking agents in Ukraine, US says - BBC News
The state department says Moscow has used a World War One-era weapon to "dislodge" Ukrainian troops.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Macron sets a line and suggests foreign troops if the Ukrainian defensive lines are broken and adds also if Ukrainians ask for them.
- Emmanuel Macron has said the question of sending western troops to Ukraine would “legitimately” arise if Russia broke through Ukrainian frontlines and Kyiv made such a request. In an interview with the Economist, the French president maintained his stance of strategic ambiguity, saying: “I’m not ruling anything out, because we are facing someone who is not ruling anything out.”
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Reaching out
Sorry, you missed my attempt at sarcasm.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The interweb is not the best place to deploy the lowest form of wit
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Reaching out
Worse than using chemical weapons.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I saw it but thought it wasn’t needed to convince as the use of CS was blatantly obvious.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
On students
ska invita
back on the other side
it would be nice to think this is bluster "strategic ambiguity" but now he has said it out loud if the situation really deteriorates and Zelensky does ask for foreign troops Macron and co cant really say No (well, they can, and probably will tbf).
Thing is what is the strategy here of Russia and Ukraine's allies (leaving Zelensky's maximalist pronouncements out of it) - I'm still certain that ultimately both side wants nothing more than maintaining the new status quo: Russia wants as much of its declared annexed territories as possible, and Macron+ will want to sure up that new border and make sure it stays there - a prelude to the future new hard border.
The notion that EU troops could push for an expulsion of all Russian troops from what was Ukrainian territory is nonsense. Even to really push them back at all seems far fetched and too costly in non-Ukrainian lives...holding the line, I can just about imagine, but even that is a potential massive escelation in this war... a dangerous game that could yet spiral out of control. What a disaster
ska invita
back on the other side
yeah meanwhile on the moral highground israel is melting palestinians with white phosphorus from the USofA
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Reaching out
I wouldn't be sure of that one. I would guess Putin wants total control of Ukraine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
As tears for fears sang, everybody wants to rule ukraine
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Russian air defence is to strong for them to be any kind of wonder weapon. AIUI, the point is to a)Start moving their air force to NATO vehicles and b)Allow them to fire NATO missiles without having to duct tape them onto an ancient Sukhoi. So they'll carry on doing the same limited ground support missions while also being able to launch more Storm Shadow etc. more reliably. But so long as they're prevented from using those weapons against targets in Russia, it's kind of pointless. Get above the ridgeline, a Russian radar miles away pings you for death and you're not allowed to shoot back.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
I wouldn't say that there is any doubt - Putin [and his mouthpieces] constantly reiterate that they want all of Ukraine's land and to destroy Ukrainian identity.
I was under the impression the claimed objectives were these as per this BBC piece from the end of last year:
Obviously the claimed objectives aren't necessarily the real ones, but installing a friendly regime or forcing a compliant one seems to be more in keeping with their approach to the war instead of aiming for full territorial conquest.BBC said:
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Full territorial conquest would come at considerable expense. What benefits would justify this? A compliant regime headed by those who depose Zelensky could satisfy.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
They already had a Russophile regime once, and the Ukrainian public got sick of them and voted someone else in.
The39thStep
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