Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you're counting me among these then a) I've said something on the wc subject in the past and criticised russia and b) I don't post to order.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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andysays
Love and solidarity
I guess the absence of "criticism of Russia or condemnation of Russian war crimes" from the vast majority of my posts on this thread marks me out as a supporter of Putin as well then
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's even one or two of emanymton's posts which don't deride putin, make of that what you willI guess the absence of "criticism of Russia or condemnation of Russian war crimes" from the vast majority of my posts on this thread marks me out as a supporter of Putin as well then
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'm at bad. Shit can happen that would change that to a different bad, but I don't see any move being made to stop a chain reaction of bad things leading to a really bad thing.
When the history of this gets written its going to look like every inquiry we've ever had into every disaster we've had - repeated signposts saying 'this is going really badly!', and endless opportunities to put the brakes on, bit every single one charged past like a blind bull on Crack.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Ah what I think of as the American way, after the way in which for many years from 2003 on whenever presented with an alternative that would keep the situation as bad as it was or make things rather worse they opted unerringly for the worse choice
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
For fucks sake, I'm done with the defenders of these pricks, and your massive double standardsI guess the absence of "criticism of Russia or condemnation of Russian war crimes" from the vast majority of my posts on this thread marks me out as a supporter of Putin as well then
It is FUCKING OBVIOUS!!
It oozes from their posts.
But if you defend and align yourself with apologist for war crimes then yeah you really are just as bad.
I dare you to say you would take the same stance uf this was Israel instead of Russia? You fucking wouldn't.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Yet you expect everyone else to eh.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I expect people to support their claims, I don't expect them to adopt positions to suit me, or to signal their virtue as you do
discokermit
Well-Known Member
he's angry. he's realising he must have been lied to a lot and for a long time and now he's lashing out. it must be difficult.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Grant Shapps is coming with a game changing laser.
The DragonFire weapon is expected to be rolled out by 2027, but Mr Shapps said he wanted to "speed up" production and make it available sooner.
DragonFire: UK laser could be used against Russian drones on Ukraine front line
The DragonFire weapon is expected to be rolled out by 2027, but Mr Shapps said he wanted to "speed up" production and make it available sooner.
DragonFire: UK laser could be used against Russian drones on Ukraine front line
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
They already do.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
the ukrainians are learning the hard way about tory promises.
Yossarian
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Germans getting worried about a far-right party's ties to Mocow
Yet to many politicians, these precautions against espionage now feel like something of a farce.
Because seated alongside them in those classified meetings are members of the Alternative for Germany, the far-right party known by its German abbreviation, AfD.
In the past few months alone, a leading AfD politician was accused of taking money from pro-Kremlin strategists. One of the party’s parliamentary aides was exposed as having links to a Russian intelligence operative. And some of its state lawmakers flew to Moscow to observe Russia’s stage-managed elections.
Yet to many politicians, these precautions against espionage now feel like something of a farce.
Because seated alongside them in those classified meetings are members of the Alternative for Germany, the far-right party known by its German abbreviation, AfD.
In the past few months alone, a leading AfD politician was accused of taking money from pro-Kremlin strategists. One of the party’s parliamentary aides was exposed as having links to a Russian intelligence operative. And some of its state lawmakers flew to Moscow to observe Russia’s stage-managed elections.
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Raheem
Well-Known Member
Because they've spent so long looking the other way.
If it's anything like Britain the problem will be that it's not just the fringe right that have been taking money from Russia.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Zelenskyy irritated by US request not to hit Russian refineries â The Washington Post
US Vice President Kamala Harris met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy during the Munich Security Conference in February and urged him to refrain from striking Russian oil refineries.
www.pravda.com.ua
Open discussion of US requests to cease attacking Russian refineries
TopCat
Putin fanboy
More on energy prices.
- European energy prices will rise dramatically if the Russian destruction of Ukrainian energy infrastructure continues unabated, Andriy Kobolyev, a former head of Ukraine’s Naftogaz, has told the Guardian. “Russia is trying to wage a global energy war and Ukraine is part of that war and if the markets perceive that Russia is winning that war … you will see a spike in prices all round the globe.”
andysays
Love and solidarity
Interesting to see that you're continuing to describe posters here as apologists for war crimes, and to suggest that I'm aligning myself with them.
Also interesting to see that editor is liking your post, which I suppose means he is aligning himself with your baseless accusations.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I double dare you to take that attitude with the zionist entity
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Zelensky demands parity of defence with Israel.
Voldoymyr Zelenskiy has called on allies to show Ukraine the same unity they displayed in helping Israel fend off Iranian attacks. The Ukrainian president issued a fresh plea for air defences to protect against Russian strikes on cities and infrastructure. Zelenskiy said: “Israel is not a member of Nato … and no one was drawn into the war,” he said. “They simply helped save lives.
Voldoymyr Zelenskiy has called on allies to show Ukraine the same unity they displayed in helping Israel fend off Iranian attacks. The Ukrainian president issued a fresh plea for air defences to protect against Russian strikes on cities and infrastructure. Zelenskiy said: “Israel is not a member of Nato … and no one was drawn into the war,” he said. “They simply helped save lives.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
They are and you are.
You have lied several times about what posters are saying to defend them as well.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It is, and it does, but extreme left politics are like that and the ridiculously puerile "my enemy's enemy ..." is a huge thing for those obsessed with anti-west politics. Whilst TC and DK are truly and openly down the rabbit hole there are a couple of other posters approaching their position but managing to hold themselves back a bit! Generally though, given the political leanings of many on these boards, I'm actually surprised that they don't have far more supporters. Most sane people appreciate that a Russian win here is in nobody's best interests other than a handful of very wealthy Russians, and increases the likelihood of a non-conventional weapons exchange further down the line.
That said, the extreme left and sanity have never been comfortable bedfellows.
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Yossarian
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Something's half-baked, that's for sure
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I'm going to ignore the digs at the left.
But it really is the refusal to accept that some posters on here actually support Russia that I can't get my head around when It is so obvious from their posts.
I can get how someone gets to the point of supporting Russia, as misguided as it is. But I find it hard to believe that so many posters on here are so inept at understanding human communication that they can't see it.
Maybe they just don't want to accept it of posters they previous felt on the same side of?
Or as you say theyare inching towards that position themselves so have to defend those futher down the rabbit hole to shore up their own stance.
It worries me because as I have said several times this is a path that ends with conspiracy theorys, antisemitism and a full on embrace of the far right.
They are positioning themselves alongside Galloway, and that should really be warning enough.
Yossarian
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This Russian pacifist helped Ukrainians forcibly deported to Russia to return to their homeland. He died last week after six months in custody and there's been a crackdown on other volunteers
In a phone call to his son, Demidenko described being tortured by the Akhmat forces, who he said forced him to confess to the charge. Vishnevskaya also published photographs of her husband in court which showed signs of torture on his body.
Demidenko’s final days remain a mystery. Prison authorities say he died on 5 April. The local Belgorod Bel.ru outlet reported this week citing prison officials that his cause of death was suicide. But Demidenko’s official death certificate, seen by the Observer, states that the cause of death “was not yet established”.
www.theguardian.com
In a phone call to his son, Demidenko described being tortured by the Akhmat forces, who he said forced him to confess to the charge. Vishnevskaya also published photographs of her husband in court which showed signs of torture on his body.
Demidenko’s final days remain a mystery. Prison authorities say he died on 5 April. The local Belgorod Bel.ru outlet reported this week citing prison officials that his cause of death was suicide. But Demidenko’s official death certificate, seen by the Observer, states that the cause of death “was not yet established”.
A Russian pacifist helped Ukrainians flee the country. Then the Kremlin caught him
Alexander Demidenko, who guided refugees back to their homeland, was arrested and tortured by Kremlin forces. One of the many he helped recalls his courage and kindness
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'm going to ignore the digs at the left.
But it really is the refusal to accept that some posters on here actually support Russia that I can't get my head around when It is so obvious from their posts.
I can get how someone gets to the point of supporting Russia, as misguided as it is. But I find it hard to believe that so many posters on here are so inept at understanding human communication that they can't see it.
Maybe they just don't want to accept it of posters they previous felt on the same side of?
Or as you say theyare inching towards that position themselves so have to defend those futher down the rabbit hole to shore up their own stance.
It worries me because as I have said several times this is a path that ends with conspiracy theorys, antisemitism and a full on embrace of the far right.
They are positioning themselves alongside Galloway, and that should really be warning enough.
I'm with you, and it outlines the depressing observation that some people feel so damaged by the actions of what they perceive as "the west", that they are prepared to support the rape and murder of civilians by their opponents.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I think it’s a time when one can be confident how the war will progress. Ukraine will lose.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Maybe consider you are just wrong perhaps because of stupidity and a poor grasp of history plus your analysis is very poor and all this causes you frustration you find hard to deal with?I'm going to ignore the digs at the left.
But it really is the refusal to accept that some posters on here actually support Russia that I can't get my head around when It is so obvious from their posts.
I can get how someone gets to the point of supporting Russia, as misguided as it is. But I find it hard to believe that so many posters on here are so inept at understanding human communication that they can't see it.
Maybe they just don't want to accept it of posters they previous felt on the same side of?
Or as you say theyare inching towards that position themselves so have to defend those futher down the rabbit hole to shore up their own stance.
It worries me because as I have said several times this is a path that ends with conspiracy theorys, antisemitism and a full on embrace of the far right.
They are positioning themselves alongside Galloway, and that should really be warning enough.
Your frustration is going to get worse as your side are losing and we’re always going to lose.
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