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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

They established Sharia law in the short-lived unofficial state, including compulsory dress codes for women. The Chechen separatists were not nice people.

ETA: That is in no way intended to justify Russian actions in Chechnya, by the way. But sometimes both sides are shits. See also the Kosovo Liberation Army.
The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria began as a secular state. The adoption of Sharia after the first war with Russia was partly a top-down political manoeuvre by the outgoing president (trying to back the incoming president into a corner), and partly due to bottom-up demands for Sharia by the populace who were fed up of post-war lawlessness and saw Islam as providing a way of tempering the violence without resorting to customary blood feuds.

In any case, the law that was applied in Sharia courts was a mixture of customary adat and Soviet law. It's magical thinking to suggest that Sharia could suddenly become the law of the land in a place where there were no mosques until the 1980s and where knowledge of Islam, let alone Sharia, was virtually nil even among the educated. To give an example, the Chechen Sharia code was entirely copied from Sudan's, and so compensation was supposed to be paid in camels; Chechnya has no camels, so people ignored the code and laughed about it while so-called Sharia courts continued applying Soviet law.

With regard to dress-codes for women, of course this was a bad thing. However, it's more an example of neotraditionalism being used in a time of conflict to put women back in their place (at a time when Chechen women were the primary providers for their families while men were fighting, and so had more power than at any other point in history). The same neotraditionalism is used today by Kadyrov and his mates to keep women from enforcing their legal rights. It's a lazy oversimplification to lay the blame for this on the initial separatists (or even on Sharia).

I appreciate that this isn't the thread for this, so I won't be replying further, but you're welcome to PM me if you fancy a discussion on this stuff.
Talk about simplistic over simplification. The initial Chechen revolt came after a relatively peaceful referendum for independence. 70+% in favour (better than Brexit). It only got really nasty AFTER the fucking Russian army invaded, killed the original leadership, caused immense destruction etc. That paved the way for the Islamist extremists.
Yeah I pretty much agree. You may be interested in this PhD thesis which discusses the historic interplay between Sharia, customary law, and Russian/Soviet law in post-war Chechnya.
 
Perky story from the Beeb's Russian language service, based on (purported) voice notes between Chechen boss dude Kadyrov and Martynov, the 2ic of the Chechen Росгвардии (National Guard/army) leaked by a disgruntled former Russian law enforcement official.

The gist is that Putin tapped Kadyrov to supply beardy hard bastards for Ukraine well before he revealed his plans to his generals.


The minor focus on Chechens is a bit weird tbh. I say weird, I mean bigoted. I don't doubt that anyone in Kadyrov's phalanx is capable of any number of war crimes. But then so were the Russians who turned Grozny to rubble. Looking at a lot of the comments going around though you'd imagine they were some kind of dark horde dispatched from beyond the void, uniquely cruel and inhuman.
 
where is the russian propaganda? They were all over the 2014 revolt - social media was awash with russian sourced images of Ukrainian nazis - shared some of them myself. This time round ive seen nothing. Theres no pics of victorious russian troops or gratefully liberated Ukrainians bring them sandwiches.
 
where is the russian propaganda? They were all over the 2014 revolt - social media was awash with russian sourced images of Ukrainian nazis - shared some of them myself. This time round ive seen nothing. Theres no pics of victorious russian troops or gratefully liberated Ukrainians bring them sandwiches.

Plenty internally I believe, don't think they're that arsed about international opinion this time though. Ship has sailed.
 
You're not comparing like with like. The battle for Baghdad took five days, at the end of which coalition of forces had control of the city. Each day, they took different districts.

What's happening in Kyiv is that the Russians appear, for the time being, to be unable to advance at all.

Perhaps they are busy blowing up the oil terminals and gas pipelines first seems to be this mornings plans according to live feeds and news footage maybe he has a reverse Saddam plan whatever he is up to is worrying

He didn't advance his "military training exercises" for a while though either he might just be an untrustable sly devious unstable mother fucker with non normal plans

Not sure whats going on really but perhaps we've just got used to seeing and expecting different tactics for a while and its only day 3 and a bit
 
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Yes, I provided you with a credible source for the IT fuck up at BA, you ignored it and hilariously still are :hmm::D

If you are talking about the BBC article you linked to, I am not ignoring it, but you said in that same post that "It was a fuck up from attempting to tighten their security and an admin misconfigured a key system." and the article in question doesnt actually contain that information at all. I'd like to see an article that says that, if one exists, it would be interesting to read about.

If what you said was actually just your guess about what happened, then its a perfectly plausible guess. But its still speculation, and not something you have provided a source link for, unless I missed a different link in one of your other posts. I dont mind speculation on this thread at all, and indulge in some myself, but its a bit rich coming from you on the BA subject given that you had a right go at me for speculating about this very subject. If you are going to keep moaning about people daring to speculate, but only when their thoughts fail to mirror your own speculation towards a subject, or keep suggesting a subject is not appropriate for this thread but then keep bringing it back up again yourself, its going to be tedious with lots of bickering.
 
where is the russian propaganda? They were all over the 2014 revolt - social media was awash with russian sourced images of Ukrainian nazis - shared some of them myself. This time round ive seen nothing. Theres no pics of victorious russian troops or gratefully liberated Ukrainians bring them sandwiches.

It’s almost as if this hasn’t been planned very well.
 
If what you said was actually just your guess about what happened, then its a perfectly plausible guess. But its still speculation, and not something you have provided a source link for, unless I missed a different link in one of your other posts. I dont mind speculation on this thread at all, and indulge in some myself, but its a bit rich coming from you on the BA subject given that you had a right go at me for speculating about this very subject. If you are going to keep moaning about people daring to speculate, but only when their thoughts fail to mirror your own speculation towards a subject, or keep suggesting a subject is not appropriate for this thread but then keep bringing it back up again yourself, its going to be tedious with lots of bickering.

So, you still do not accept what BA itself has reported to credible news agencies?

If you want more info on the tech side to help ease your concerns of hacking of BA here’s well known UK cyber security expert who poked around the issue…

 
The likes of the BBC pickup up on and ran with as their news website headline tonight the big fears in Kyiv of a large aerial attack tonight that I mentioned earlier. They were quoting the same politicians tweet that I mentioned. Now its some hours later and most of those fears dont seem to have materialised so far, apart from the oil terminal:

It's past 0300 local time on Sunday in Kyiv. The situation is very tense after residents, around midnight, were warned to expect a bombardment.

While there's reportedly been a strike on an oil terminal about 40km south of Kyiv, explosions have not been reported in the capital so far. The city has already endured some shelling in past days.

( 1:41am entry of BBC live updates page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60542877 )
 
I'm happy to have an argument with you . Ten fifteen minutes I might want to fuck it off. So yeah , here now. Aggressive shitbag.
 
Mi6. Don't see anything anomalous
I'm happy to have an argument with you . Ten fifteen minutes I might want to fuck it off. So yeah , here now. Aggressive shitbag.
Theres enough aggression going on elsewhere in the world at the moment so Ill do my bit for world peace ;)


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although it also looks like someone has attempted to draw a spunking cock on bottom window
he may mean that instead :thumbs:

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