Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[krtek a houby]

Perhaps edit the list to remove non nuclear plant attacks? Would shorten your list somewhat and increase accuracy perhaps.

Just ignore the stuff you don't like

 

[TopCat]

Man, you've gone so far down the rabbit hole you can't tell fact from from fiction.

Here's what the head of The International Atomic Energy Agency said. Or are you going to claim he's a liar?

You quoted something that doesn’t help your killer point one bit. Did you read the linked to info even?

 

[TopCat]

Just ignore the stuff you don't like

The irrelevant stuff you mean? That does not evidence a Russian attack on a nuclear plant? That stuff?

 

[editor]

Perhaps edit the list to remove non nuclear plant attacks? Would shorten your list somewhat and increase accuracy perhaps.

So naturally you're now going to condemn all these dangerous, nuclear related attacks or are you going to go the full Putin/Trump ticket and insist that it's all made up?

• FEBRUARY 2022: In the first hours of the invasion, Russia seized and subsequently looted the Chornobyl Nuclear Power Plant, using the site as a staging ground for its attempt to capture Kyiv.
• FEBRUARY 2022: A Russian missile struck a radioactive source facility outside Kyiv.
• SEPTEMBER 2022: Russia conducted strikes against the South Ukraine Nuclear Power Plant.
• OCTOBER 2022: Massive Russian strikes occurred against Ukrainian energy infrastructure, threatening the reliability of offsite power to Ukraine’s nuclear power plants.
• NOVEMBER 2022: Russian military strikes cause all of Ukraine’s operating nuclear power plants to lose offsite power and temporarily revert to emergency generators.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Do you totally condemn Russia's earlier, well documented attacks on the nuclear power station?

Of course he doesn’t, but doesn’t have the bollocks to actually come out with it.

 

[krtek a houby]

The irrelevant stuff you mean? That does not evidence a Russian attack on a nuclear plant? That stuff?

You didn't read it?

 

[TopCat]

It’s farcical to assert it was not the Ukrainians attacking the plant last night.

 

[editor]

You quoted something that doesn’t help your killer point one bit. Did you read the linked to info even?

Here you are. Have a good read, and be sure to check the sources:

As of February 2022, the moving of heavy military vehicles has raised nuclear dust and resulted in a spike of gamma radiation levels in the Chernobyl region 28 times above normal.[7][8] With local winds mostly tending towards Russia,[5] the impact is spread over two countries currently at war with each other and therefore unlikely to be remediated in a coordinated manner at this time. Ukrainian authorities also claim the Russian army is responsible for arson in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. According to various sources, from 15 to 37 hectares (37 to 91 acres) of forest have been swept by fires.[9][10]

In early March, hostilities reached the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the biggest in Europe and the fifth biggest globally.[11] The amount of nuclear material on this site is equivalent to 20 Chernobyls.[clarification needed][12] On 4 March 2022, fighting led to a fire in an auxiliary building. On 30 May 2022, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported loss of connection with servers at the Zaporizhzhia plant, which was not restored until 12 June 2022.[13]

Rafael Grossi, the Director General of the IAEA, raised concerns about the extremely stressful conditions faced by station personnel. Under constant pressure from the Russian military, personnel were unable to rotate shifts with colleagues outside the facility, and were therefore unable to rest. Food and medicine shortages were also reported.[14] Grossi emphasized that exhausted and stressed personnel are more prone to mistakes.[6] On June 30, the IAEA again lost connectivity with the plant.[15]

While wide attention has been focused on nuclear power reactors, damage to spent nuclear fuel reservoirs and other forms of storage may be even more devastating.[16][17][18] For instance, more than 3000 spent fuel rod containers are stored at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant under the open sky.[19] At other nuclear power plants, spent rods are kept in cooling tanks. Should water in those tanks become warmer or leak, overheated rods may ignite leading to consequences comparable to the Kyshtym disaster.[6] According to the IAEA, two Russian missiles have already hit nuclear waste ponds in Ukraine.[20][21] Spent nuclear fuel is able to release 20 times the fatal dose of radiation in one hour.[22]

 

[TopCat]

You didn't read it?

Which bit of editors post are you supporting? I read the excerpt he quoted and it’s irrelevant.

 

[editor]

It’s farcical to assert it was not the Ukrainians attacking the plant last night.

So you literally do believe everything Russia says and have no need to wait for independent verification?

Why is that? I have trouble believing the UK government on some things, but you're quids in with whatever Russia comes up with!

 

[TopCat]

Here you are. Have a good read, and be sure to check the sources:

As of February 2022, the moving of heavy military vehicles has raised nuclear dust and resulted in a spike of gamma radiation levels in the Chernobyl region 28 times above normal.[7][8] With local winds mostly tending towards Russia,[5] the impact is spread over two countries currently at war with each other and therefore unlikely to be remediated in a coordinated manner at this time. Ukrainian authorities also claim the Russian army is responsible for arson in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. According to various sources, from 15 to 37 hectares (37 to 91 acres) of forest have been swept by fires.[9][10]

In early March, hostilities reached the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the biggest in Europe and the fifth biggest globally.[11] The amount of nuclear material on this site is equivalent to 20 Chernobyls.[clarification needed][12] On 4 March 2022, fighting led to a fire in an auxiliary building. On 30 May 2022, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported loss of connection with servers at the Zaporizhzhia plant, which was not restored until 12 June 2022.[13]

Rafael Grossi, the Director General of the IAEA, raised concerns about the extremely stressful conditions faced by station personnel. Under constant pressure from the Russian military, personnel were unable to rotate shifts with colleagues outside the facility, and were therefore unable to rest. Food and medicine shortages were also reported.[14] Grossi emphasized that exhausted and stressed personnel are more prone to mistakes.[6] On June 30, the IAEA again lost connectivity with the plant.[15]

While wide attention has been focused on nuclear power reactors, damage to spent nuclear fuel reservoirs and other forms of storage may be even more devastating.[16][17][18] For instance, more than 3000 spent fuel rod containers are stored at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant under the open sky.[19] At other nuclear power plants, spent rods are kept in cooling tanks. Should water in those tanks become warmer or leak, overheated rods may ignite leading to consequences comparable to the Kyshtym disaster.[6] According to the IAEA, two Russian missiles have already hit nuclear waste ponds in Ukraine.[20][21] Spent nuclear fuel is able to release 20 times the fatal dose of radiation in one hour.[22]

So which bit of the above supports your assertion Ukraine was not responsible for a three strike attack on the plant reactor last night? You just posting irrelevancy

 

[TopCat]

So you literally do believe everything Russia says and have no need to wait for independent verification?

Why is that?

Who attacked the plant?

 

[TopCat]

So you literally do believe everything Russia says and have no need to wait for independent verification?

Why is that?

Its obvious to anyone who can read.

 

[Raheem]

Who attacked the plant?

Didn't you answer that further up?

 

[krtek a houby]

Which bit of editors post are you supporting? I read the excerpt he quoted and it’s irrelevant.

It's farcical to assert russian forces haven't attacked, or at the very least, endangered nuclear facilities.

 

[editor]

Who attacked the plant?

I don't know. And neither do you.

But given Russia's well known predilection to lying and the ever present fog of war, you'd have to be some kind of pro-Russia nutter to blindly accept whatever the Kremlin tells you without waiting for independent verification.

 

[TopCat]

It's farcical to assert russian forces haven't attacked, or at the very least, endangered nuclear facilities.

Who do you think bombed the plant last night?

 

[TopCat]

I don't know. And neither do you.

But given Russia's well known predilection to lying and the ever present fog of war, you'd have to be some kind of pro-Russia nutter to blindly accept whatever the Kremlin tells you without waiting for independent verification.

You would have to be a dribbling fool to genuinely think that Russia did it. I dont think you are that level of fool. I think you are capable of supporting the most ridiculous positions if they support your pro Ukraine position. It’s worse than being a fool.

 

[Sweet FA]

So you literally do believe everything Russia says

you're quids in with whatever Russia comes up with!

some kind of pro-Russia nutter

 

[Rob Ray]

Yeah and Russia attacked the nuclear plant they controlled not Ukraine and also blew up nord stream too. You lack all credibility asserting this rubbish.

Both the possibility that Ukraine did it to draw attention and that Russia did it to attack Ukraine's standing are plausible. It'd hardly be the first time a State has damaged its own property to serve a greater aim (and in fact given both of them lay claim to the thing that's definitely happened here, one way or the other).

 

[TopCat]

I’m not rising to his silly behaviours. He does the above to disguise the utter paucity of his analysis and understanding.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

In other news, Russia is still trying to cover up the radiation leak in Khabarovsk, more than a week after it happened. The city has declared a state of emergency, yet Moscow is silent.

 

[discokermit]

No, I don't accept anything until it's been verified by independent authorities rather than repeat whatever is being claimed

except for when that market got hit and you got hysterical about the russian murderers until it turned out to be ukrainian. then you went silent. along with all the other times you do it.
i bet during the first gulf war you fell for the babies being thrown out of incubators lie hook, line and sinker.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Kremlin is fully aware of the nuclear risks in Ukraine stemming from Russian military activity but has prosecuted its campaign against Ukraine’s nuclear facilities and civilian infrastructure heedless of the repercussions.

to be fair if they'd really been going at ukraine's nuclear facilities heedless of the consequences i think we'd have seen something rather nearer a nuclear disaster by now.

 

[TopCat]

Both the possibility that Ukraine did it to draw attention and that Russia did it to attack Ukraine's standing are plausible. It'd hardly be the first time a State has damaged its own property to serve a greater aim (and in fact given both of them lay claim to the thing that's definitely happened here, one way or the other).

At last. Some reasonable points for discussion.

 

[emanymton]

It's okay everyone there is no evidence anyone on here supports Russia. Repeating every line out of the kremlin or RT as fact and dissimes anything else as lies doesn't mean you support Russia in the war.

I mean unless someone writes out the words "I support Russia in the war" then it really isn't far to accuse them of supporting it.

 

[TopCat]

It's okay everyone there is no evidence anyone on here supports Russia. Repeating every line out of the kremlin or RT as fact and dissimes anything else as lies doesn't mean you support Russia in the war.

I mean unless someone writes out the words "I support Russia in the war" then it really isn't far to accuse them of supporting it.

Who do you think bombed the plant.

 

[discokermit]

Both the possibility that Ukraine did it to draw attention and that Russia did it to attack Ukraine's standing are plausible. It'd hardly be the first time a State has damaged its own property to serve a greater aim (and in fact given both of them lay claim to the thing that's definitely happened here, one way or the other).

why would russia need to attack ukraines standing? ukraine is losing on the ground and if anything its support seems to be slowly dwindling. russia doesnt need to do anything, especially with such risks to their own side.

 

[TopCat]

why would russia need to attack ukraines standing? ukraine is losing on the ground and if anything its support seems to be slowly dwindling. russia doesnt need to do anything, especially with such risks to their own side.

Might lessen the likelihood of the USsending billions of dollars of arms in the near future? A small chance this. More likely it was the Ukrainians who did it and lied about it though.

 

[emanymton]

Who do you think bombed the plant.

I know it wouldn't even be a question if Russia had not invaded you thick cunt.