knife violence and murders among youth

[Magnus McGinty]

Blimey indeed.

You think my nieces and nephews experiences are completely different from my younger and older brothers?

There is no correlation?

You get to resign my comments and experiences to the 90's but have zero to offer yourself.

No.

Ok. So given police intervention isn’t possible, what are you actually doing about the problem?

 

[stuff_it]

I’ve not lived in London for 16 years. But wow yeah I find that pretty shocking.

This is where I got the idea that I would like to fish them out and make a sculpture.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ok. So given police intervention isn’t possible, what are you actually doing about the problem?

I am tackling it single-handedly as you know ...to even have an opinion and experiences here on Urban, under your watch that is the very least I should be doing.

What are you doing no experience, self-righteous twit?

 

[Cid]

What about you magnus? You thought of becoming Magistrate McGinty? Give 'em twelve months for looking shifty in the wrong place...

 

[Edie]

This is where I got the idea that I would like to fish them out and make a sculpture.

Why? It’s hardly something to be celebrated?

 

[stuff_it]

Why? It’s hardly something to be celebrated?

Which will be the point of the sculpture ...

Most people have no idea there is enough there to even make one, it's meant to draw attention to the issue.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I am tackling it single-handedly as you know ...to even have an opinion and experiences here on Urban, under your watch that is the very least I should be doing.

What are you doing no experience, self-righteous twit?

I admit to myself that where community action isn’t possible, I have to defer to those my taxes pay to protect me rather than simply shrug as another child is disembowelled.
And you?

 

[stuff_it]

I admit to myself that where community action isn’t possible, I have to defer to those my taxes pay to protect me rather than simply shrug as another child is disembowelled.
And you?

If you and everyone you know pay taxes rather than receiving them then you probably have little experience of the matter.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you and everyone you know pay taxes rather than receiving them then you probably have little experience of the matter.

Given I live in London, and you don’t, perhaps your opinions are best directed to those slumming it in vans.

 

[stuff_it]

Given I live in London, and you don’t, perhaps your opinions are best directed to those slumming it in vans.

I have lived in London plenty, some of the time in vans. The concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Edie]

If you and everyone you know pay taxes rather than receiving them then you probably have little experience of the matter.

That’s a daft thing to say.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I have lived in London plenty, some of the time in vans. The concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

The victims of these crimes should shut up if they pay taxes because they don’t understand not paying taxes?

 

[stuff_it]

The victims of these crimes should shut up if they pay taxes because they don’t understand not paying taxes?

They shouldn't claim to have solutions for the problems they have only tangential experience of.

 

[Treacle Toes]

That’s a daft thing to say.

Given I live in London, and you don’t, perhaps your opinions are best directed to those slumming it in vans.

So is this. 'Slumming it in vans' A real man of the people...a communist, who lives in London and shows almost zero awareness of it. Am I missing something here? Fucking hell.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

They shouldn't claim to have solutions for the problems they have only tangential experience of.

Only perpetrators of crime can offer solutions?
This sounds quite mad.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

So is this. 'Slumming it in vans' A real man of the people...a communist, who lives in London and shows almost zero awareness of it. Am I missing something here? Fucking hell.

You didn’t answer my last question. Because you can’t.

 

[stuff_it]

Only perpetrators of crime can offer solutions?
This sounds quite mad.

Because if you're poor you're a criminal...

Shilly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

 

[Cid]

So is this. 'Slumming it in vans' A real man of the people...a communist, who lives in London and shows almost zero awareness of it. Am I missing something here? Fucking hell.

Dunno, perfect material for the NKVD or similar...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Because if you're poor you're a criminal...

Shilly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

Kenneth Noye isn’t poor.
So we support lumpen parasitism if it comes from poverty?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

when I was at a PRU it did seem that most of the knife carrying kids seemed to have had them under the impression that there are already knives out there so you had to carry them or you would be defenceless and that it would act as a deterrent.

it seems a vicious cycle. I need a knife because everyone has knifes leading to lots of people actually carrying knives to knife normalcy.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Dunno, perfect material for the NKVD or similar...

A posh lad speaks..

 

[DotCommunist]

This is where I got the idea that I would like to fish them out and make a sculpture.

the iron throne

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the iron throne

The Stainless Steel Stool

 

[MrSki]

A posh lad speaks..

Thank god there are still some working class heroes that we can all look up to.

I have not read that many of your posts so please excuse me if I have got the wrong impression but you do come across as a bit of a know-all twat.

 

[dylanredefined]

when I was at a PRU it did seem that most of the knife carrying kids seemed to have had them under the impression that there are already knives out there so you had to carry them or you would be defenceless and that it would act as a deterrent.

it seems a vicious cycle. I need a knife because everyone has knifes leading to lots of people actually carrying knives to knife normalcy.

Which is bollocks either you stab someone or they stab you. You can't use a knife defensively .Pulling one out is not going to scare people off.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Not unless you're paul hogan

 

[ska invita]

The idea this is drug related is wrong too... It's always been like this in London. In fact looking at the stats (pdf) it was worse in the 90s. I remember growing up as a boy violence was basically endemic. I lived in a nice house in Camden, but everywhere you went you looked over your shoulder. Mugging happened all the time, down any side street you care to chose. I can't definitely say what their motives were; boredom, attempt to get some sense of power. Drugs trade is just an arena for that violence and disaffection to play in.

mate 90s camden was drugs nonstop...plus recession...plus there's still a lot of poverty in camden never mind then
id like to see that pdf but the link isnt working...if you can be arsed to try again please do

 

[ska invita]

two more stabbings tonight
Teenager fighting for his life after being stabbed in Shepherd's Bush
Man stabbed in broad daylight in Hackney in latest London violence

 

[Cid]

mate 90s camden was drugs nonstop...plus recession...plus there's still a lot of poverty in camden
id like to see that pdf but the link isnt working...if you can be arsed to try again please do

It was, but it would be a stretch to link much of the day to day violence to drugs. I think drugs related violence implies something directly related to the trade, rather than kid who mugged someone might buy an eighth if you see what I mean.

For links search 'SN04304 knife' it's a summary of some govt statistics, focussed on recent stuff, but some charts go back to 90s.

 

[ska invita]

It was, but it would be a stretch to link much of the day to day violence to drugs. I think drugs related violence implies something directly related to the trade, rather than kid who mugged someone might buy an eighth if you see what I mean.

For links search 'SN04304 knife' it's a summary of some govt statistics, focussed on recent stuff, but some charts go back to 90s.

thanks. yeah in that A2: OFFENCES RECORDED AS HOMICIDE BY APPARENT METHOD OF KILLING, sharp instrument
its been on average 200 since 1980 with peaks in mid 90s and early 2000s
interesting