Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was illegal to profit from crime in the UK?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think we should also consider the fact that PA are ethno nationalists whereas Robinson's mob are civic nationalists . They are rivals. PA's activity needs to be seen in the context of them wanting to be seen as the better nationalists , more committed to the cause.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
I think over in the US, there's been pretty extensive support for the January 6th arrestees, but it does seem new in the UK context - presumably NA must've done some support for their prisoners, until the point where pretty much all of them ended up inside? Definitely not something I'd think of the EDL and successor groups as being any good at, but dunno if it would've been part of the older NF/BM/BNP traditions back in the day?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tbf someone who leaves the house with the intention of going to a rugby match then spends the next three hours getting drunk, throwing traffic cones and a bicycle at police , seizing a riot shield and taking part in racist inspired public disorder may not garner the same sympathy as a sickly pet with big eyes and who purrs when it’s sits on your lap .Wow! They've raised a massive thirteen grand.
The boneheads have been digging deep.
I think we raised almost a quarter of that for a cat on here.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Better class of thug
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Nevey Smith of of West Street, Failsworth, who admitted violent disorder outside Holiday Inn in Newton Heath, Manchester, on 31 July 2024, has been given a community order and made to attend reviews at a women's problem-solving court, and carry out 100 hours of unpaid work.
Judge Patrick Field KC, sentencing her at Manchester Crown Court earlier today, said:
"You chose to join (the disorder) notwithstanding that you had your 20-month-old child in a pushchair.
"What on earth were you thinking? I doubt you had his safety in mind."
Her mother, Vanessa Smith, was also at the riot and admitted violent disorder. She will be sentenced on Thursday 26 September 2024.
(Source: Greater Manchester Police)
"What on earth was she thinking?"
Judge Patrick Field KC, sentencing her at Manchester Crown Court earlier today, said:
"You chose to join (the disorder) notwithstanding that you had your 20-month-old child in a pushchair.
"What on earth were you thinking? I doubt you had his safety in mind."
Her mother, Vanessa Smith, was also at the riot and admitted violent disorder. She will be sentenced on Thursday 26 September 2024.
(Source: Greater Manchester Police)
"What on earth was she thinking?"
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Yeah, with behaviour like that he should have been on his way to a football match.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'What was she thinking' is an interesting question. She appears to be mixed race and so you do end up wondering how she ended up on 'that side' in these riots. And even if she's not an ideological racist, how she still ended up joining what were truly horrible racist protests is a real issue. What the dividing line between racist sentiments and 'just joining in something'... who knows. Something that seems to have got a bit lost in the commentary on the riots.Nevey Smith of of West Street, Failsworth, who admitted violent disorder outside Holiday Inn in Newton Heath, Manchester, on 31 July 2024, has been given a community order and made to attend reviews at a women's problem-solving court, and carry out 100 hours of unpaid work.
Judge Patrick Field KC, sentencing her at Manchester Crown Court earlier today, said:
"You chose to join (the disorder) notwithstanding that you had your 20-month-old child in a pushchair.
"What on earth were you thinking? I doubt you had his safety in mind."
Her mother, Vanessa Smith, was also at the riot and admitted violent disorder. She will be sentenced on Thursday 26 September 2024.
(Source: Greater Manchester Police)
"What on earth was she thinking?"
maomao
普費斯
It's perfectly possible to be mixed race and have racist opinions or be strongly opposed to immigration. It's not even much of a contradiction. I had a mixed race colleague who was a fervent supporter (though not a member) of the BNP about ten years ago. It made sense to him. Black colleagues weren't impressed but he didn't see himself as black. And logically, he was no more black than he was white.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
James Cleverly, Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Priti Patel.
maomao
普費斯
I would think a minority of people that we describe as racist actually believe that white people are genetically superior to other races. The rest are mostly concerned about culture and access to resources. Which in many cases leads to racist behaviour but this isn't the 1930s definition of racism as a philosphy of humanity.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
lots of people want to throw bricks at coppers and not all of them are discriminating with regard to the opportunities that present themselves
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
John Lawrence , by complete coincidence also from Oldham , mixed race has been in the EDL, Britain First, Manchester Collective and now the National Housing Party.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
He wished everyone Happy Diwali in a video last year and said that Europe should open its borders to Hindus and Sikhs as they were hard working and peaceful people. He's always supported and tried to engage with anyone who might, for what ever reason or non reason, have a beef with Muslims. BNP did the same.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In response to a couple of posts, yeah, I get it of course mixed race people can be racist and can join racist protests. My point was, literally, about what was she thinking, processing her experiences. The extent to which how, whether she has or hasn't personally experienced racism, joining a racist riot became a thing to do. It wasn't some naive 'all black people should be anti racist', more about where the world has got to for significant numbers of working class people to be focused on migrants, Muslims and Asians.
This links to the other points made about the shift from the National Front's broad spectrum racism to the BNP's focus on 'Christian Britain' through to the EDL honing this down even more as mentioned (for example having a supposed Jewish membership group). What the far right has done to focus on Muslims and Migrants is clear. But the interesting and depressing issue for me is how living life under neoliberalism and deindustrialisation and the rest, has led so many to make sense of their lives in ways that led to these riots and pogroms. That's the bit I was getting at, how people process their experiences. And beyond that of course, the departure of the left from working class towns.
This links to the other points made about the shift from the National Front's broad spectrum racism to the BNP's focus on 'Christian Britain' through to the EDL honing this down even more as mentioned (for example having a supposed Jewish membership group). What the far right has done to focus on Muslims and Migrants is clear. But the interesting and depressing issue for me is how living life under neoliberalism and deindustrialisation and the rest, has led so many to make sense of their lives in ways that led to these riots and pogroms. That's the bit I was getting at, how people process their experiences. And beyond that of course, the departure of the left from working class towns.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh the shift isn't so much from my pov. The ostensible focus changes to be more widely attractive. But tug on that xian Britain thread and out the auld tropes tumble. Look at eg arthur kemp, the bnp's former chief ideologue. It's a way of drawing in people who hear these things and nothing more. They focus on migrants but a short way down the road the settled migrants are the target. The bnp's aim was a restoration of the population to before the arrival of the Windrush migrants. It's just easier to start with new immigrants before starting on the auld ones.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Tbf, in this specific instance, I think "what was she thinking?" is a pretty valid response to someone bringing their 20-month-old baby to a riot. Admittedly there have been plenty of events that started out peaceful before turning into a riot, but I think it would've been possible to guess that this one stood a pretty high chance of kicking off from the start.
Yeah, the EDL had Sikh and Jewish divisions, though J-Div was full of Christians and the guy in charge of the Sikh Division had effectively been excommunicated by the Sikh community. He didn't wear a turban, for starters.
This wasn't just throwing bricks at fuzz though, this was trying to burn refugees alive.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I am not getting the impression you're familiar with the details of the case
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Most British Sikhs don't wear turbans regularly and perhaps the far right identified some anti-Islamic sentiment, but it is strongly challenged and any Sikh getting involved with the EDL needs his head testing.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Anyone getting involved with the EDL needs their head testing.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Her mam came along as well - more of a family day out.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A nice trip to the riots with mum and the kid.
I'm talking about the riots in general, and don't patronise me, thanks. If I wanted to be talked down to, I'd go on Mumsnet.
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