Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Boo Radley75]

'What was she thinking' is an interesting question. She appears to be mixed race and so you do end up wondering how she ended up on 'that side' in these riots. And even if she's not an ideological racist, how she still ended up joining what were truly horrible racist protests is a real issue. What the dividing line between racist sentiments and 'just joining in something'... who knows. Something that seems to have got a bit lost in the commentary on the riots.

According to her solicitor, she didn't even know what an asylum seeker was.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm talking about the riots in general, and don't patronise me, thanks. If I wanted to be talked down to, I'd go on Mumsnet.

You clearly weren't talking about the riots in general or you wouldn't have brought up something that wasn't general.

 

[The39thStep]

I'm taking the dog out
Where to the field?
No to the race riot
Hang on Mum , I'll come with you

 

[TopCat]

I think over in the US, there's been pretty extensive support for the January 6th arrestees, but it does seem new in the UK context - presumably NA must've done some support for their prisoners, until the point where pretty much all of them ended up inside? Definitely not something I'd think of the EDL and successor groups as being any good at, but dunno if it would've been part of the older NF/BM/BNP traditions back in the day?

The fash used to circulate lists and details of their prisoners. I remember writing to Joe Pierce (imprisoned fash in the 80’s) cunting him off regularly.

 

[Spymaster]

I'm taking the dog out
Where to the field?
No to the race riot
Hang on Mum , I'll come with you

I feel sorry for the dog.

 

[The39thStep]

I feel sorry for the dog.

Who is looking after the dog now ?

 

[Wilf]

I'm taking the dog out
Where to the field?
No to the race riot
Hang on Mum , I'll come with you

The left's reasons for rioting can be a bit literal: 'because I hate capitalism/arms companies/global polluters'. To be fair to the right, there's more of a sense of community - just walking the dog... out with me mam and the kids... seeing how far I could push a burning wheelie bin...

 

[TopCat]

The left's reasons for rioting can be a bit literal: 'because I hate capitalism/arms companies/global polluters'. To be fair to the right, there's more of a sense of community - just walking the dog... out with me mam and the kids... seeing how far I could push a burning wheelie bin...

I have been on so called left wing riots (1985 Brixton for example) , and loads were looting, robbing each other, settling beef with violence with many more just hanging about.

 

[TopCat]

Poll tax riots drew in loads of passer-byes; shoppers, people in pubs, the Marquee queue, all in awe of the whole spectacle who then got right involved against the plod

 

[GarveyLives]

Dog-walking mother Amanda Walton (left) of Ashling Way in Linthorpe, and daughter (and mother of two) Megan Davison (right) of Seaton Street in central Middlesbrough. Walton has six previous convictions, including two for battery.

They joined in the white supremacist riot in Middlesbrough on 4 August 2024 as their fellow rioters shouted "take our country back"

Davison's live-in partner Jake Wray (right) was filmed setting up a "racial checkpoint" at a nearby road junction, asking terrified motorists: 'Are you white? Are you English?' before deciding whether to let them pass. He awaits sentence.

What were they all thinking?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Pretty sure that Thinking wasn't involved.

 

[Boo Radley75]

No idea why it took the Police 6 and a half weeks to arrest someone on a disabled buggy, openly chucking up Nazi salutes at a peaceful anti racism protest, despite seeing him, speaking to him and leading him away, at the time, but better late than never, I guess.

Update: Man arrested over "Nazi salute" incident in Harlow town centre - Your Harlow

Update: Man has been bailed until Monday November 30th, 2024 Original story: An Essex Police spokesperson said: “A man has been arrested on suspicion of a hate crime as part […]

www.yourharlow.com

 

[Spymaster]

Pretty sure that Thinking wasn't involved.

They certainly weren't thinking they'd be spending Christmas in prison!

 

[Wilf]

Poll tax riots drew in loads of passer-byes; shoppers, people in pubs, the Marquee queue, all in awe of the whole spectacle who then got right involved against the plod

Yeah, I was musing upthread in terms of how much overlap there was with 2011. Not some sort of 'oh look at the drunk people up for a ruck'. More how shit socioeconomic circumstances opens up a route into disorder full stop.

 

[Dogsauce]

Poll tax riots drew in loads of passer-byes; shoppers, people in pubs, the Marquee queue, all in awe of the whole spectacle who then got right involved against the plod

Anti-poll tax had massive public support, I can remember nothing else like it.

Anyone going to the hotel demos (which generally seem to be out-of-town sites) was doing so with intent to harass the people stuck there. It’s different to stumbling on a riot going on down the road on the way to the corner shop. Everyone there will be fash-adjacent and should really get a harsher sentence for it.

 

[Dogsauce]

They certainly weren't thinking they'd be spending Christmas in prison!

Kids staying with grandad this year I guess.

 

[LakieLady]

No idea why it took the Police 6 and a half weeks to arrest someone on a disabled buggy, openly chucking up Nazi salutes at a peaceful anti racism protest, despite seeing him, speaking to him and leading him away, at the time, but better late than never, I guess.

Update: Man arrested over "Nazi salute" incident in Harlow town centre - Your Harlow

Update: Man has been bailed until Monday November 30th, 2024 Original story: An Essex Police spokesperson said: “A man has been arrested on suspicion of a hate crime as part […]

www.yourharlow.com

Ironic, given the Nazis' persecution of people with disabilities...

 

[Lotte]

Sadly, there are plenty of people who are either ignorant of what the Nazi did, or think exceptions will be made for them.

 

[Wilf]

Yeah, I was musing upthread in terms of how much overlap there was with 2011. Not some sort of 'oh look at the drunk people up for a ruck'. More how shit socioeconomic circumstances opens up a route into disorder full stop.

Just on that I noticed the Guardian had some data on the riots and the rioters today:

Local. Left behind. Prey to populist politics? What the data tells us about the 2024 UK rioters

The Guardian has scrutinised data that provides insights into the lives of hundreds of people accused of taking part in the unrest

www.theguardian.com

Haven't had time to do more than scan it today, but it will be interesting to compare it to Reading the Riots (2011 riots):

https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/46297/1/Reading%20the%20riots(published).pdf#:~:text=This%20report%20presents%20the%20findings%20of%20a%20unique%20collaboration%20between

 

[GarveyLives]

Davison's live-in partner Jake Wray (right) was filmed setting up a "racial checkpoint" at a nearby road junction, asking terrified motorists: 'Are you white? Are you English?' before deciding whether to let them pass. He awaits sentence.

What were they all thinking?

Megan Davison's partner, Jake Wray has not yet been sentenced, while the court determines whether the violent disorder on 4 August 2024 to which has admitted was racially aggravated:

"A judge will hear evidence to decide whether a man who stopped drivers during widespread disorder in Middlesbrough to check if they were “white” or “English” was racially motivated ..."

Jake Wray was already subject to a suspended sentence for spitting on a police officer and carrying a blade at the time of his admitted violent disorder.

Judge to decide if man who stopped cars during disorder was racially motivated

 

[GarveyLives]

Nevey Smith of of West Street, Failsworth, who admitted violent disorder outside Holiday Inn in Newton Heath, Manchester, on 31 July 2024, has been given a community order and made to attend reviews at a women's problem-solving court, and carry out 100 hours of unpaid work.

Judge Patrick Field KC, sentencing her at Manchester Crown Court earlier today, said:

"You chose to join (the disorder) notwithstanding that you had your 20-month-old child in a pushchair.

"What on earth were you thinking? I doubt you had his safety in mind."

Her mother, Vanessa Smith, was also at the riot and admitted violent disorder. She will be sentenced on Thursday 26 September 2024.

(Source: Greater Manchester Police)

"What on earth was she thinking?"​

On 26 September 2024, grandmother and mother-of-three (including Nevey Smith), Vanessa Smith, of Farnborough Road in Failsworth, was sentenced to an 18 month community order, 100 hours of unpaid work, 15 rehabilitation activity days, and instructed to make a payment of £150 to the cost of proceedings, having previously pleaded guilty to violent disorder violent disorder outside Holiday Inn in Newton Heath, Manchester, on 31 July 2024.

(Source: Greater Manchester Police)

"What on earth was she thinking?"​

 

[pbsmooth]

Erm, one thing springs to mind with this guy in Finland…

BBC confronts neo-Nazi who gave UK rioters arson tips BBC confronts neo-Nazi who gave UK rioters arson tips

 

[BristolEcho]

Erm, one thing springs to mind with this guy in Finland…

BBC confronts neo-Nazi who gave UK rioters arson tips BBC confronts neo-Nazi who gave UK rioters arson tips

What springs to mind?

What made me laugh was as soon as he was found he rang the police. Fucking prick.

 

[pbsmooth]

I didn’t expect him to be a brown person!

 

[BristolEcho]

I didn’t expect him to be a brown person!

It's a common misconception. People from all backgrounds can be far right and Neo-Nazis. From the bits I saw he was very specific about hating Jews and Muslims.

 

[pbsmooth]

It's a common misconception. People from all backgrounds can be far right and Neo-Nazis. From the bits I saw he was very specific about hating Jews and Muslims.

Sure but probably not what people would expect when it comes to directing the Southport riots.

 

[GarveyLives]

Erm, one thing springs to mind with this guy in Finland…

I didn’t expect him to be a brown person!

The involvement and ethnicity of Charles-Emmanuel Mikko Rasanen as shown in today's welcome BBC report by Ed Thomas is unlikely to have come as much of a surprise to anyone who had read this.

 

[isvicthere?]

The fash used to circulate lists and details of their prisoners. I remember writing to Joe Pierce (imprisoned fash in the 80’s) cunting him off regularly.

A mate of mine, who is very ex-fash, told me that in the '70s there would be a collection at the end of every NF meeting to pay for fines of members.

 

[stethoscope]

Barely a dozen far right in Hull earlier for their 'Unite the North' protest which must be a misnomer if there ever was one. Easily outnumbered by antifash, union reps and swappies.

 

[Pickman's model]

Barely a dozen far right in Hull earlier for their 'Unite the North' protest which must be a misnomer if there ever was one. Easily outnumbered by antifash, union reps and swappies.

i think it's fair to say they've done their bit for uniting the north