Mass stabbing at Southport Kids’ Club 29/7/24

[teqniq]

Axel Rudakubana has now been additionally charged with a terror offence:

Southport stabbing accused charged with terror offence

The teenager is accused of the murder of three schoolgirls at a Taylor Swift-themed dance party

www.lancs.live

E2a: Imo it's likely to give the racist headbangers ammunition that they don't need at all.

 

[trashpony]

I suspect Starmer and Cooper deciding to hush this up is going to come back to bite them on the arse.

 

[teqniq]

I suspect Starmer and Cooper deciding to hush this up is going to come back to bite them on the arse.

Is that what has actually happened here? Is this why we are only just hearing about it? If so monumentally stupid.

 

[PTK]

I suspect Starmer and Cooper deciding to hush this up is going to come back to bite them on the arse.

Hush it up? How do you know what they knew?

 

[PTK]

Is that what has actually happened here? Is this why we are only just hearing about it? If so monumentally stupid.

There is no evidence that is was "hushed up".
The cops have not declared it a an act of terrorism, because motive has not been established.

 

[trashpony]

Hush it up? How do you know what they knew?

You think the PM and Home Secretary weren’t informed he had an Al Qaeda training manual and ricin? Don’t be silly.

And no, motive hasn’t been established. But pretending there’s no link between these facts and him going to stab a load of little girls seems a bit futile

 

[PTK]

You think the PM and Home Secretary weren’t informed he had an Al Qaeda training manual and ricin? Don’t be silly.

And no, motive hasn’t been established. But pretending there’s no link between these facts and him going to stab a load of little girls seems a bit futile.

The link is most likely that he was looking at how to harm people. Do you think that most people who consult the "Anarchist's Cook Book" are actually anarchists?

 

[PTK]

Posting unfounded speculation about "cover ups" fuels far-right politics. We should not make explosive claims.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The link is most likely that he was looking at how to harm people. Do you think that most people who consult the "Anarchist's Cook Book" are actually anarchists?

If the media reports are correct he was in possesion of ricin which was discovered in his home. That's a bit more serious than downloading the anarchist cookbook or the Al Qaeda manual.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Posting unfounded speculation about "cover ups" fuels far-right politics. We should not make explosive claims.

I agree. That's why Starmer needs to make a statement about what he and the Home Secretary knew and when they knew. Otherwise unfounded speculation is inevitable.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I suspect Starmer and Cooper deciding to hush this up is going to come back to bite them on the arse.

Yep. Jenrick and Farage are already all over Twitter making the most of this.

 

[PTK]

If the media reports are correct he was in possesion of ricin which was discovered in his home. That's a bit more serious than downloading the anarchist cookbook or the Al Qaeda manual.

Yes, indeed, but possession of ricin alone does not indicate that this person was a terrorist.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Yes, indeed, but possession of ricin alone does not indicate that this person was a terrorist.

What does it indicate then? What other reasons are their for stashing ricin in your home?

 

[Petcha]

The law does seem a bit weird. Maybe I'm watching old news here. But apparently this can't be considered as a 'terrorist' offence because there was no 'motive'

He had Al Qadea's guidebook to how to commit jihad in his bedroom. What am I missing?

 

[Spymaster]

If the media reports are correct he was in possesion of ricin which was discovered in his home. That's a bit more serious than downloading the anarchist cookbook or the Al Qaeda manual.

It's a piece of piss to make in the kitchen too.

I've just Googled how to do it, which might not have been a good idea.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The law does seem a bit weird. Maybe I'm watching old news here. But apparently this can't be considered as a 'terrorist' offence because there was no 'motive'

He had Al Qadea's guidebook to how to commit jihad in his bedroom. What am I missing?

I think the issue is whether or not terror as a motive can be established in a court of law in a mannner that would satisfy the court.

In the court of public opinion I suspect matters will be a good deal more clear cut.

 

[PTK]

What does it indicate then? What other reasons are their for stashing ricin in your home?

To kill people?
Not everyone who wants to kill people is a terrorist.

 

[trashpony]

Yes, indeed, but possession of ricin alone does not indicate that this person was a terrorist.

How about possession of ricin + possession of Al Qaeda training manual + stabbing a load of little girls in a Taylor Swift dance class?

 

[Ax^]

why would starmer and cooper cover it up

 

[PTK]

How about possession of ricin + possession of Al Qaeda training manual + stabbing a load of little girls in a Taylor Swift dance class?

The Anarchist Cookbook was consulted by the two killers at Columbine High School in the USA in 1999. Their bombs failed to go off, and they then murdered twelve school children and one teacher using guns. Were they terrorists? Were they using violence with the aim of changing the political dispensation in their country?

If someone wants to commit mass murder, how would they go about it? Would they not consult documents that explain how to do so? Would they not try to acquire the means to do so?

Or do people who want to commit ordinary mass murder have a moral objection to consulting documents produced by terrorist organisations?

 

[bcuster]

 

[trashpony]

why would starmer and cooper cover it up

Because they trying to stop mass riots and civil unrest?

The Anarchist Cookbook was consulted by the two killers at Columbine High School in the USA in 1999. Their bombs failed to go off, and they then murdered twelve school children and one teacher using guns. Were they terrorists? Were they using violence with the aim of changing the political dispensation in their country?

If someone wants to commit mass murder, how would they go about it? Would they not consult documents that explain how to do so? Would they not try to acquire the means to do so?

Or do people who want to commit ordinary mass murder have a moral objection to consulting documents produced by terrorist organisations?

maybe go and research ricin and come back to me.

 

[Ax^]

Because they trying to stop mass riots and civil unrest?

this was a the tale end of July and it was the CPS not starner who made the decision right


sound like a Tory conspiracy shit to me

 

[PTK]

Because they trying to stop mass riots and civil unrest?

maybe go and research ricin and come back to me.

I know what ricin is. What is the point that you are failing to make?

 

[trashpony]

I know what ricin is. What is the point that you are failing to make?

Because it’s incredibly potent. It’s regulated as a weapon at the same level as sarin. This kid could have wiped out most of Southport.

Do you not think counter terrorism were involved? Of course they were. Of course Starmer and Cooper would have been told.

Do you honestly think this was dealt with as a little local incident? Good grief.

ETA I’ve never voted anything other than labour in 40 years of being able to vote Ax^ just fyi

 

[tim]

why would starmer and cooper cover it up

Tune into GBNEWTS if you really want an answer to that question. Don't bother asking anyone here.

 

[Ax^]

ETA I’ve never voted anything other than labour in 40 years of being able to vote Ax^ just fyi

never said you had ..

but be wary of rabbit holes fella

 

[planetgeli]

Hmm.

PTK is right about ricin not equalling terrorism. And the man has 3 murder charges and 10 attempted murder charges which don't need complicating with terrorism having to be proved as a motive.

But ricin is used in individual murder and could easily be argued out of court as 'terrorism' if not actually used (and this wasn't).

And you might only get 37 months for it in America so it's hardly 'wipe out Southport' territory.

Possession of Ricin Results in 37 Months in Prison

www.justice.gov

I do, however, think Starmer and Cooper would have been informed and of course care could be taken when that information gets released.

 

[PTK]

Why would Starmer or Cooper "reveal" that it was a "terrorist attack" when the police are not categorising it as a terrorist attack?

 

[planetgeli]

Why would Starmer or Cooper "reveal" that it was a "terrorist attack" when the police are not categorising it as a terrorist attack?

Nobody is claiming that.