Mass stabbing at Southport Kids’ Club 29/7/24

[likesfish]

the gamnmons who spread "the truth" had no knowledge of what the police found and werent eye witnesses of the attac they just made shit up and were belived by cunts

 

[Pickman's model]

Because it’s incredibly potent. It’s regulated as a weapon at the same level as sarin. This kid could have wiped out most of Southport.

Do you not think counter terrorism were involved? Of course they were. Of course Starmer and Cooper would have been told.

Do you honestly think this was dealt with as a little local incident? Good grief.

ETA I’ve never voted anything other than labour in 40 years of being able to vote Ax^ just fyi

How? How could he have wiped out most of Southport? Daubed it on doors or left it lying about in a perfume bottle? It's nonsense to make that claim, utter bilge

And I voted labour once, in 1990 - and learned my lesson then never to trust thr fuckers again

 

[gentlegreen]

The ricin thing is a weird one.
Absolutely useless as a weapon.
Has to be injected.
Where would he have got enough seeds to make a significant amount?

 

[likesfish]

like Sarin it can be lethal in a tiny amount and can be absorbed through the skin but gentlegreen is right unless people sign up to be injected getting a lethal dose into someone is actually really difficult.

 

[trashpony]

How? How could he have wiped out most of Southport? Daubed it on doors or left it lying about in a perfume bottle? It's nonsense to make that claim, utter bilge

And I voted labour once, in 1990 - and learned my lesson then never to trust thr fuckers again

Misted a shopping centre and the high street? Okay it’s probably a bit of a stretch to say most of Southport but he could have taken out a couple of buses full of people. It’s pretty toxic stuff.

like Sarin it can be lethal in a tiny amount and can be absorbed through the skin but gentlegreen is right unless people sign up to be injected getting a lethal dose into someone is actually really difficult.

Inhalation can also kill

Ricin Poisoning

Context The recent discoveries of ricin, a deadly biologic toxin, at a South Carolina postal facility, a White House mail facility, and a US senator’s office has raised concerns among public health officials, physicians, and citizens. Ricin is one of the most potent and lethal substances known,...

jamanetwork.com

 

[tim]

the gamnmons who spread "the truth" had no knowledge of what the police found and werent eye witnesses of the attac they just made shit up and were belived by cunts

I assume information was being leaked not only because it's what cops so, but also because there was loads of boasting about having inside knowledge twitter.

 

[A380]

It’s one of the ‘easier’ CBRNe agents to manufacture at home (toss up between this and botulism) but as people have said it’s not actually that ‘useful’ “ this test tube could kill 1000 people’ well yes, but so could this potato peeler if you got them all to line up and get stabbed.

Might be an ideological loan actor, or might be just a cunt. Which we know he is because of the child murders.

 

[andysays]

This announcement will reassure some and no doubt be read by others as "proof" that there's a deliberate government cover up.

Government became aware of new Southport charges in last few weeks​

The most senior figures in government first became aware of the possibility of new charges against the suspect in the Southport murders in the past few weeks, the BBC has been told. A spokesperson for the prime minister said it was "not correct" to say the government had been involved in withholding facts from the public. It comes after the two candidates for the Conservative leadership said the government had questions to answer about the new charges. Axel Rudakubana, 18 - who is accused of murdering three young girls in Southport - is facing two further charges, including one under the terrorism act. On Tuesday he was charged with production of a biological toxin contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.

 

[gentlegreen]

I suppose castor beans could be smuggled in moderate quantity if things like khat can get here on planes...
I wonder what the yield is per bean.
Usually they process the mash left after oil extraction.

 

[PTK]

I suppose castor beans could be smuggled in moderate quantity if things like khat can get here on planes...
I wonder what the yield is per bean.
Usually they process the mash left after oil extraction.

Smuggled? The BBC Gardener's World website makes no mention of castor oil seeds having to be smuggled in to the country. It tells how to plant castor oil seeds, in order to grow castor plants.

 

[gentlegreen]

Smuggled? The BBC Gardener's World website makes no mention of castor oil seeds having to be smuggled in to the country. It tells how to plant castor oil seeds, in order to grow castor plants.

Yes I've grown a lot of them, and could have harvested quite a few seeds - but I wonder if buying a lot would raise suspicion - perhaps there are people deliberately growing them for seeds...
I hope they don't get banned.

 

[PTK]

Yes I've grown a lot of them, and could have harvested quite a few seeds - but I wonder if buying a lot would raise suspicion - perhaps there are people deliberately growing them for seeds...

Would not smuggling seeds in to Britain be many times more difficult than buying them in a shop?

 

[gentlegreen]

Would not smuggling seeds in to Britain be many times more difficult than buying them in a shop?

depends how many you need...
I suppose they could group together and each buy all the varieties / species...

 

[PTK]

depends how many you need...
I suppose they could group together and each buy all the varieties / species...

"They"? One young person is involved. No-one else. There is no "terrorist cell". The evidence is that he wanted to kill people, but there is no evidence that he had a political motive.

 

[Pickman's model]

"They"? One young person is involved. No-one else. There is no "terrorist cell". The evidence is that he wanted to kill people, but there is no evidence that he had a political motive.

Everything's political

 

[PTK]

Everything's political

Every murderer since Cain is part of a vast conspiracy.

 

[gentlegreen]

"They"? One young person is involved. No-one else. There is no "terrorist cell". The evidence is that he wanted to kill people, but there is no evidence that he had a political motive.

yes clearly in this case just a one-off and just going through the motions - and I suppose we'll never know the scale of manufacture of actual organised terrorist groups ...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The evidence is that he wanted to kill people, but there is no evidence that he had a political motive.

Is that true? Accoridng to the Guardian "counter-terrorism officers were continuing to assess the evidence and the full case against Rudakubana, who was born in Cardiff, would be disclosed at the criminal trial, planned for January"

 

[likesfish]

I assume information was being leaked not only because it's what cops so, but also because there was loads of boasting about having inside knowledge twitter.

It wasn't cops there was nothing being "leaked" it was just made up they claimed he was a Muslim Somali known to mi5 that came on the boats rather than the son of Rwandan christian parents with some sort of mental health issue. Of course this totally justify trying to murder asylum seekers random brown people in a car and loot Greggs and lush The scumbags behind the farage riots were racist shit stirrers and the actual rioters were morons. They represented the scrapings of the barrel of the genepool and soon slimed back under the rocks when they found out the majority came out and stood against them Brighton it was 1000-1

 

[PTK]

Is that true? Accoridng to the Guardian "counter-terrorism officers were continuing to assess the evidence and the full case against Rudakubana, who was born in Cardiff, would be disclosed at the criminal trial, planned for January"

What kind of terrorist is it who keeps his motives secret?
If a terrorist does not actually make any public political demands, then he is not really a terrorist, is he?

 

[Sasaferrato]

like Sarin it can be lethal in a tiny amount and can be absorbed through the skin but gentlegreen is right unless people sign up to be injected getting a lethal dose into someone is actually really difficult.

Perhaps you could employ a medium and ask Georgi Markov about that?

 

[Sasaferrato]

depends how many you need...
I suppose they could group together and each buy all the varieties / species...

There is only one genus/species Ricinus communis, which is easy to grow.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

What kind of terrorist is it who keeps his motives secret?
If a terrorist does not actually make any public political demands, then he is not really a terrorist, is he?

We don't know what his motive is. That presumably is what the police and others are in the process of determining.

 

[gentlegreen]

There is only one genus/species Ricinus communis, which is easy to grow.

Several cultivars

And Zanzibarensis

I've grown several ...

 

[Sasaferrato]

Several cultivars

And Zanzibarensis

I've grown several ...

Do the cultivars produce ricin?

 

[likesfish]

Perhaps you could employ a medium and ask Georgi Markov about that?

having an inteliigence agency produce a gas powered umbrella mae it easier rather beyond the average teen in a bedroom

 

[gentlegreen]

Do the cultivars produce ricin?

I'd be amazed if they didn't - they're selected for the colours...
Ricin is I think basically an extreme form of the lectins found in legumes...
I'm pretty sure all the seed packets were labelled "poison".
In Jamaica they'll give you a bean as an purgative !
By all accounts it doesn't hang around in the system long enough to kill you.

 

[PTK]

I'd be amazed if they didn't - they're selected for the colours...
Ricin is I think basically an extreme form of the lectins found in legumes...
I'm pretty sure all the seed packets were labelled "poison".
In Jamaica they'll give you a bean as an purgative !
By all accounts it doesn't hang around in the system long enough to kill you.

Castor oil is, or was, a well-knowm treatment in Britain.

 

[Red Cat]

The Anarchist Cookbook was consulted by the two killers at Columbine High School in the USA in 1999. Their bombs failed to go off, and they then murdered twelve school children and one teacher using guns. Were they terrorists? Were they using violence with the aim of changing the political dispensation in their country?

If someone wants to commit mass murder, how would they go about it? Would they not consult documents that explain how to do so? Would they not try to acquire the means to do so?

Or do people who want to commit ordinary mass murder have a moral objection to consulting documents produced by terrorist organisations?

What do you think motivates 'ordinary' mass murder?

 

[gentlegreen]

Castor oil is, or was, a well-knowm treatment in Britain.

Also used in car engines - and is apparently a candidate for bio diesel like other tropical euphorbias.
the oil - but not the whole bean - complete with ricin
ricin is extracted from the left-over pulp - which I think may be processed as animal feed