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Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency

This is a very good point. I don't want to hear "my mate Dave doesn't seem like the type". seem. What's it based on? An idea. A concept of a person. Or how they have actually interacted with others. How they talk about others. How they behave towards others.
I think there are a few things at work here.

One is that there are a range of low level problematic behaviours that are acceptable to a lot of people, in some cases even considered romantic.

The other is that we all present different versions of ourselves to different groups, so some men won't show dodgy behaviour when with certain groups.
 
Unfortunatley the vast majority of them claimed they weren’t rapists and had only learned about consent when the were in prison!


Not exactly riven with guilt or self awareness
There is at least one who said it couldn't be rape because he had permission from her husband. How can you even think like that?
 
Do you have many conversations with your brother that you feel would show any questionable attitudes? Anything, slightly off. Do you speak to his friends and partners in a way that might do similar?
If not what is the 'never do anything like that based on'. Assumptions of good behaviour are expected of friends)family but I guess real probing and a non biased look at attitudes and behaviour are less likely.
Well no, the opposite really, but then he seems different around his mates, whilst not misogynistic (I've heard him challenge some stuff before, tho mostly racism), a bit more "wahay the lads", so I've always rather arrogantly assumed that because I'm his brother, I get the "real" him the him who I've known all my life, but maybe I'm wrong and he wants to say what he thinks his family will want to hear.
 
Well no, the opposite really, but then he seems different around his mates, whilst not misogynistic (I've heard him challenge some stuff before, tho mostly racism), a bit more "wahay the lads", so I've always rather arrogantly assumed that because I'm his brother, I get the "real" him the him who I've known all my life, but maybe I'm wrong and he wants to say what he thinks his family will want to hear.
There's no such thing as the "real" him, just different versions of him in different contexts.
 
Indeed, the construction of the self is indivisible from the context within which that construction is happening. There’s no barrier between “out there” and “in here”. The meaning we make of who we are and the meaning we make of the situation we’re in are mutually constitutive. Even the idea of the performative self, with a “backstage” and “front stage” is ultimately flawed because it ignores the social meaning of the theatre itself in self-construal.
 
There is at least one who said it couldn't be rape because he had permission from her husband. How can you even think like that?
It seems unbelievable, but it wasn't long back husbands always had permission over their wives. Even now consent is irrelevant in French law. Rape is 'sexual penetration, committed against another person by violence, constraint, threat or surprise' - thats why some of the men claimed they didnt realise she had been drugged, as that is an obvious 'constraint.'
 
It seems unbelievable, but it wasn't long back husbands always had permission over their wives. Even now consent is irrelevant in French law. Rape is 'sexual penetration, committed against another person by violence, constraint, threat or surprise' - thats why some of the men claimed they didnt realise she had been drugged, as that is an obvious 'constraint.'
I know, but I just can't get my head around that fucking thought process.
 
There are a number of issues here, but the big one is the focus on "stranger danger" most of the time the danger is someone they know, a family memeber, friend or partner.
see also histronics about
illegal immigrants
'muslimic rape gangs '
Drag Queens
trans people

all of this is the white straight men most likely to be violent towards and /or SAing their own partners and children trying to deflect
 
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see also histronics aobut
illegal immigrants
'muslimic rape gangs '
Drag Queens
trans people

all of this is the white straight men most likely to be violent towards and /or SAing their own partners and children trying to deflect
I've just been looking at some murder statistics and while on the whole men are far more likely to be murderd this graph clearly shows were the threat to women's lives is.

Edit- taken from here Homicide in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics
 

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It seems unbelievable, but it wasn't long back husbands always had permission over their wives. Even now consent is irrelevant in French law. Rape is 'sexual penetration, committed against another person by violence, constraint, threat or surprise' - thats why some of the men claimed they didnt realise she had been drugged, as that is an obvious 'constraint.'
If consent is irrelevant in French law, as the BBC News website claims, then why did the guilty men claim that their actions were done with the consent of the victim?
 
If consent is irrelevant in French law, as the BBC News website claims, then why did the guilty men claim that their actions were done with the consent of the victim?
C4News interviewed a French lawyer as part of their coverage last night and she conceded that, although the word is not explicitly used within the legal code, the notion or concept of consent is present throughout and around the sex crime codes.
 
It seems unbelievable, but it wasn't long back husbands always had permission over their wives.

It was "legal" until 1991. A man appealed a rape conviction using the argument that by marrying, a woman had given consent, which had previously been accepted, and lost. He appealed, but the conviction was upheld at every stage, right up to the House of Lords.
 
see also histronics about
illegal immigrants
'muslimic rape gangs '
Drag Queens
trans people

all of this is the white straight men most likely to be violent towards and /or SAing their own partners and children trying to deflect
It's amazing how many of the same people who go on and on about Muslim grooming gangs suddenly go quiet when it's white Christian men grooming and abusing kids. Same with anti-trans types who go quiet when cis men are abusive and violent.
 
It's amazing how many of the same people who go on and on about Muslim grooming gangs suddenly go quiet when it's white Christian men grooming and abusing kids. Same with anti-trans types who go quiet when cis men are abusive and violent.
even quieter when it revealed that the white straight men grooming kids are members of EDL / BNP / football 'Firms' or mugs who have paid farage money to be a 'member' of Reform UK Ltd ( which has precisely 2 members it's shareholders as a limited company)
 
Unfortunatley the vast majority of them claimed they weren’t rapists and had only learned about consent when the were in prison!


Not exactly riven with guilt or self awareness
I read that at least some are appealing their sentences :mad:
 
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