Israel/Gaza: UK crackdown and backlash
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I know I am biased, but I doubt it. There has been a lot of people taken away from their normal jobs / had days off cancelled in order to police this, JSO and other aid requirements - and that always is annoying - but many of them and the command team have done those demos already and they know what they were actually like.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
What gives you that impression? Obv the Met isn't a single homogenous group and different people will be thinking different things, but seems to me like Rowley's been asking for the go-ahead to get nastier for a while now.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
He hasn't - hence all the pressure to try and get him to crack down.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
It's the Met, they also know how to shift crowds to provoke confrontations if they want to. All that takes is for a few individual coppers to present their usual, measured approach to anyone they don't like and can't imagine they're any less susceptible to the end of days, 'they're here to destroy our country and piss on the cenotaph' rhetoric than both the Tories and the rest of the Right seem to be at the moment.
hitmouse
music obfuscation technology
Where are you getting this from? Looking at coverage of it, I'm seeing stuff like:
Pro-Palestinian protests: Met Commissioner calls for clarity
Sir Mark Rowley says his officers are limited by legal definitions of extremism.
www.bbc.co.uk
Or this:
Met chief says police will use new tactics to arrest hate protesters
Sir Mark Rowley says his officers will use 'sharper interventions' to arrest anyone carrying out hate crimes
www.standard.co.uk
Both those read to me like him saying he wants to take a more aggressive approach but he's limited by what the law allows. What makes you think he's saying anything different?
Anyway, this odd aren't-the-met-lovely-really diversion aside, I do think it's worth taking a moment to appreciate how funny it is that the establishment are managing to get themselves this whipped up into a frenzy over the idea that people might use Armistice Day to commemorate victims of a conflict and call for a ceasefire. Real reverse "you can't fight in here, this is the war room!" energy.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
This type of behaviour is quite common for police services, there really needs to be national discussion on police overstepping the mark, because they do, whilst then also abjectly failing people that need their help.
magneze
🎧
Met police chief defies calls to ban pro-Palestine Armistice Day march in London
Sir Mark Rowley says there is insufficient intelligence pointing to a risk of serious public disorder
The last one was full of families. There are no grounds to ban.
bimble
floofy
who are you talking to you absolute basketcase?
I am curious to know.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There's only one reason why no one's going to heaven
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I think you'll find 10 nov is friday
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Will they equal the nearly 600 arrests of fash seen in the early 90s when the fash mobilised to oppose the bloody Sunday march?
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
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Cloo
Banana for scale
This story seems so a slavering DM dream that I'm inclined to believe it's bullshit Poppy seller veteran, 78, is 'punched by pro-Palestine protesters'. Lefties may be 
at poppies, but they are not, as the DM imagine, so full of hate that they would beat up an 87-year-old geezer over it. My money is on him being jostled by the volume of the crowd but I find it hard to believe anyone actually attacked him.
Ditto some papers making a lot of hay that Protestors 'surrounded poppy sellers' Charing Cross pro-Palestine sit-in sees protesters surround poppy sellers because, maybe... those poppy sellers were in the middle of the station where they were protesting? Note how no protestors in the photo are in any way interacting with the poppy sellers.
Just when I thought the poppy-fetishists couldn't get more annoying.
Honestly I have nothing against buying a poppy and usually do, but these fuckers...
at poppies, but they are not, as the DM imagine, so full of hate that they would beat up an 87-year-old geezer over it. My money is on him being jostled by the volume of the crowd but I find it hard to believe anyone actually attacked him.Ditto some papers making a lot of hay that Protestors 'surrounded poppy sellers' Charing Cross pro-Palestine sit-in sees protesters surround poppy sellers because, maybe... those poppy sellers were in the middle of the station where they were protesting? Note how no protestors in the photo are in any way interacting with the poppy sellers.
Just when I thought the poppy-fetishists couldn't get more annoying.
Honestly I have nothing against buying a poppy and usually do, but these fuckers...
bimble
floofy
I dont know what you're on about Boris Sprinkler and i don't think instagram is the answer, was asking you who you were addressing with your post about the sermon on the mount and cunts and heaven and so on.
Increasingly fascinated in a kind of private way by people who take recourse to the word Zionist.
Would like to sit them each down and ask them in detail over a cup of tea what they mean by that word.
You for instance. What do you even mean who the fuck were you talking to. But its an irrelevance, never mind.
Increasingly fascinated in a kind of private way by people who take recourse to the word Zionist.
Would like to sit them each down and ask them in detail over a cup of tea what they mean by that word.
You for instance. What do you even mean who the fuck were you talking to. But its an irrelevance, never mind.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Like they're gonna do that
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Wouldn't rule it out, purely on the grounds that's what he said happened, though he describes getting hit from behind and then the side so it's possible he's filling in the gaps. But yeah, the bigger issue by far is how events/non-events/semi-events like this are being swept up into Braverman's frothathon. DM and others cranked up to respond to the sanctity of the poppy, saintly veterans and the like. Who, of course, the government don't normally give a shit about the wellbeing of. Gee, propaganda.This story seems so a slavering DM dream that I'm inclined to believe it's bullshit Poppy seller veteran, 78, is 'punched by pro-Palestine protesters'. Lefties may be
Cloo
Banana for scale
Yeah, we just don't know... the other thing is that may or may not be what he said, we know DM just makes shit up sometimes. It just seems a little too perfect a fit for their prejudices. Obviously if there is evidence someone deliberately attacked him, those people are twats and should be done for assault.
But yes, there is clearly a concerted campaign in the media to set ceasefire protests against 'British Values'.
I've also been reflecting on the 'oh, why don't these people focus on OTHER injustices and massacres, just Israel, huh?' and I think there is a good reason for that. Russia is not our ally. China is not our ally. Whereas our government makes a big deal of being an ally to Israel and is condoning the current massacre, so it's extra pertinent that people protest here because we have a government that might feasibly have influence with Israel. I mean, they won't use it, but if we're in a country declaring itself Israel's ally there is a particular reason to protest Israel's actions above those of other countries.
But yes, there is clearly a concerted campaign in the media to set ceasefire protests against 'British Values'.
I've also been reflecting on the 'oh, why don't these people focus on OTHER injustices and massacres, just Israel, huh?' and I think there is a good reason for that. Russia is not our ally. China is not our ally. Whereas our government makes a big deal of being an ally to Israel and is condoning the current massacre, so it's extra pertinent that people protest here because we have a government that might feasibly have influence with Israel. I mean, they won't use it, but if we're in a country declaring itself Israel's ally there is a particular reason to protest Israel's actions above those of other countries.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I certainly think we should avoid taking digs at any side in this conflict on grounds of their religion. Yes, when anyone uses their religion to justify dehumanising the other, uses it to justify violence, but not at the level of cheap digs. I mean, maybe there is a time and place for an analytical discussion of religion in this conflict, alongside other factors, but not as a series of one liners. Having said all that, I'm slightly confused by the reference to the Sermon on the Mount. Not as in wanting to discuss it further, but confused still.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
bimble Who? The Israeli government who are dropping the bombs on people who are in a cage. The US and other states who are supporting this.
Who obviously have some misguided idea about what it is to be human but seemingly have some larger plan. Of which they get to decide the rules for everyone else. Or have you not noticed what’s going on?
The instagram link is precisely because it is telling a story that has no airing on television channels or other large media.
The propaganda spun in the news and parliaments of other western countries this is the same. The idea that people marching for peace are extremists.
The issues with Zionism are complex and multiple. Is it settler colonialism?
I am not conflating Zionism with Judaism. The 10,000 Jews that shut down Nyc in recent days to protest for peace do not either.
Who obviously have some misguided idea about what it is to be human but seemingly have some larger plan. Of which they get to decide the rules for everyone else. Or have you not noticed what’s going on?
The instagram link is precisely because it is telling a story that has no airing on television channels or other large media.
The propaganda spun in the news and parliaments of other western countries this is the same. The idea that people marching for peace are extremists.
The issues with Zionism are complex and multiple. Is it settler colonialism?
I am not conflating Zionism with Judaism. The 10,000 Jews that shut down Nyc in recent days to protest for peace do not either.
bimble
floofy
ok got it, its just the israeli government who is not going to heaven. And also the US. That makes sense. Let's ignore the sermon on the mount bit cos that was just bizarre. You carry on but if you've no clue what a word means, even to your own mind, perhaps best to try to find other words, and not go for "Zionist cunts" : Find another way to express yourself. Just an idea. I'm not really able to engage seriously here atm just pop in and marvel at the most egregious weirdnesses.
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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apparently the far right are organising a counter protest this Saturday and the Met think they are a bigger threat in terms of public order. Stay safe folks.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Apparently the far right are organising a counter protest this Saturday and the Met think they are a bigger threat in terms of public order. Stay safe folks.
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