nino_savatte
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Why do you lie so much, balderdash?
I million workers come to UK: defacto open borders?
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ViolentPanda
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Fatuous bollocks.tbaldwin said:
Are you so bereft of anything approaching a point that you have to resort to that tired old crap?
Bosses exploit workers everywhere, in case you hadn't noticed.
nino_savatte
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Let's look at the phrase "economic migration"; I think the keyword in that phrase is "economic" and that should tell one about the root cause of such migrations: [late Western] capitalism, which is aided by the maintenance of the nation-state, which, in turn, act as the lapdogs to the multi-national corporations: the real empires.
No internationalist in their right mind would support such the perpetuation of such a system; and no internationalist would call for further border controls when the nature of internationalism is to work for the abolition of the nation-state. To lay the blame on "economic migrants" for the economic malaise of a nation-state is scapegoating, pure and simple.
Internationalists don't moan and groan about "open borders", they bemoan the fact that there are borders and these borders are partly responsible for the condition the world is in today.
No internationalist in their right mind would support such the perpetuation of such a system; and no internationalist would call for further border controls when the nature of internationalism is to work for the abolition of the nation-state. To lay the blame on "economic migrants" for the economic malaise of a nation-state is scapegoating, pure and simple.
Internationalists don't moan and groan about "open borders", they bemoan the fact that there are borders and these borders are partly responsible for the condition the world is in today.
nino_savatte
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treelover said:
Hmmm, you say that but some of the views expressed on the subject are open to question. Indeed, many of those who claim to be "socialist" are nothing of the sort.
How many times have we heard "Talking about immigration isn't racist"? Those who constantly bleat that mantra are trying to limit the terms of debate to a narrow anti-immigration agenda which carries with it, the germs of xenophobia and racism. Sorry but it's true.
Too many of you blame immigrants and immigration for your problems when the real culprit goes unnoticed by you and your ilk.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
This is the crux of your anti-immigration spiel...and it's a weak premise.
Too many of you blame immigrants and immigration for your problems when the real culprit goes unnoticed by you and your ilk.
Ilk? what the fuck have mouses got to do with anything apart from the fact that they are more electable than the SWP?
Interesting use of the word ilk there.Please elaborate do you mean workers or the underclass? Is Ilk anyone who does not agree with your ie massess of racsist phantasms or maybe you mean the very people that are supposed to be revolutionaries for your movement.The great unwashed? Your heads so far up your arse your brain lacks oxygen. Still i am sure mummy and daddy will pay for if ninoweenos operwation
Ilk? what the fuck have mouses got to do with anything apart from the fact that they are more electable than the SWP?
Interesting use of the word ilk there.Please elaborate do you mean workers or the underclass? Is Ilk anyone who does not agree with your ie massess of racsist phantasms or maybe you mean the very people that are supposed to be revolutionaries for your movement.The great unwashed? Your heads so far up your arse your brain lacks oxygen. Still i am sure mummy and daddy will pay for if ninoweenos operwation
it's a weak premise no your the one with arguements as weak as piss
brasicattack said:Too many of you blame immigrants and immigration for your problems when the real culprit goes unnoticed by you and your ilk.
Ilk? what the fuck have mouses got to do with anything apart from the fact that they are more electable than the SWP?
Interesting use of the word ilk there.Please elaborate do you mean workers or the underclass? Is Ilk anyone who does not agree with your ie massess of racsist phantasms or maybe you mean the very people that are supposed to be revolutionaries for your movement.The great unwashed? Your heads so far up your arse your brain lacks oxygen. Still i am sure mummy and daddy will pay for if ninoweenos operwation
I think mr savatte must he having a rare day off! 22,000 posts in four years!
Take pity on him he is beyond parody.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
brasicattack said:it's a weak premise no your the one with arguements as weak as piss
Even piss-weak arguments top the diarrhoea that you post, you sad class warrior manque.
nino_savatte
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brasicattack said:it's a weak premise no your the one with arguements as weak as piss
This is what tends to happen when one challenges the 'arguments' put forward by anti-immigrationists.
nino_savatte
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brasicattack said:Too many of you blame immigrants and immigration for your problems when the real culprit goes unnoticed by you and your ilk.
Ilk? what the fuck have mouses got to do with anything apart from the fact that they are more electable than the SWP?
Interesting use of the word ilk there.Please elaborate do you mean workers or the underclass? Is Ilk anyone who does not agree with your ie massess of racsist phantasms or maybe you mean the very people that are supposed to be revolutionaries for your movement.The great unwashed? Your heads so far up your arse your brain lacks oxygen. Still i am sure mummy and daddy will pay for if ninoweenos operwation
The plural for the word "mouse" is "mice".
You clearly have trouble with the idea that someone can come along and challenge your ideas on immigration. This is the quality of response that I have come to expect from your lot.
nino_savatte
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becky p said:I think mr savatte must he having a rare day off! 22,000 posts in four years!
Take pity on him he is beyond parody.
I noticed that you've offered nothing beyond agreeing with baldwin's lies.
nino_savatte
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A question for all our anit-immigrationists...
You realise that thousands of [white] British leave this country every week for places like Australia, The US and Canada don't you? You also realise that Britain is not a 'crowded' island? I mean, are the Highlands crowded? The Pennines? Dartmoor?
You realise that thousands of [white] British leave this country every week for places like Australia, The US and Canada don't you? You also realise that Britain is not a 'crowded' island? I mean, are the Highlands crowded? The Pennines? Dartmoor?
nino_savatte said:
You do realise what an utter twat you are nino. You do realise that most immigrants don't actually settle in the scottish highlands etc. They come to the most overcrowded areas in one of the most densely countries in the world.
You do realise that taking skilled workers from developing countries means those countries development is held back dont you?
You do realise that despite your attempts to portray arguements against economic migration as Racist that a majority of Black,Asian and White people are all against mass immigration,dont you?
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
This rather sums up the general tone of your 'arguments' baldo: you are too content to base your anti-immigration spiel on simplicities and the specious notion that we live on a 'crowded' island. And again, you dish out the same tired rhetoric about "skills" and you also ignore my perfectly valid point about the numbers of people emigrating from Britain each week. I guess any consideration of that point would further undermine your position.
I'd ask you to think about that but thought isn't possible in your case. You'd much rather try and smear me.
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
You really are a thick fucker, aren't you? You can't tell the truth, you never post any evidence for your theses but demand that others give you proof. So much for fair play - huh?
nino_savatte
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tbaldwin said:
LOL"!!! This is rich coming from the King of the Smears and a fine purveyor of myths and lies.
goldenecitrone
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I think it's great for all these people to come here, experience a bit of the varied cultures here, earn some dosh and then either settle down here or go home with a broader worldview. Having lived in several different countries myself I think it's only fair to extend the courtesy of welcoming other nationalities to the UK. Makes us all better off. 
chilango
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tbaldwin said:
Wot Garry Glitter?
We EXPORT childmolesters!!
As for bosses...they can move wherever the hell they want anyway, and even if they couldn`t their factories could...and do.
That really is a shit argument.
Incidentally, would you stop skilled workers like myself LEAVING the UK?
Cos 100s of thousands (if not more) of us are....
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
Blah blah blah.
More gas than a field full of flatulent cows.
nino_savatte
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chilango said:
This is a point that I've already tried to put to balder. He won't deal with it.
nino_savatte
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chilango said:
This is a point that I've already tried to put to balders. He won't deal with it.
goldenecitrone said:I think it's great for all these people to come here, experience a bit of the varied cultures here, earn some dosh and then either settle down here or go home with a broader worldview. Having lived in several different countries myself I think it's only fair to extend the courtesy of welcoming other nationalities to the UK. Makes us all better off.
Depends what you mean by all? Economic migration means taking skilled workers from poorer countries. A shortage of skilled workers leads to more poverty and death in those countries. But if by all you mean all apart from people left behind in those countries. Then you have to look at who benefits from more people coming into richer countries, is it people competing for jobs and housing or is just ALL the people who can maximise profit out of immigration?.
chilango
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tbaldwin said:
1/ Economic migration means skilled workers leaving poor countries for richer ones. It ALSO means skilled workers (such as myself) leaving rich countries for poor ones. But it also means unskilled workers moving, and bosses, and retirees and...
2/ If there was proper investement in South Africa's health service it wouldn`t be an issue. Whay is there not enough investement? That ain`t a decision made by the migrants, but by the bosses and politicians who DO have enough money and capital available...how come?
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