ViolentPanda
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Fruitloop said:I reckon we only hear the half of it.
If HM Prison Service is anything to go by, then the media reports a damn sight less than half.
I million workers come to UK: defacto open borders?
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If HM Prison Service is anything to go by, then the media reports a damn sight less than half.
yeah I totally agree with violet pansy and the other deluded arseholes its just to scare colonels as we have such an abundance of social housing and our education system is not failing a third of all kids and we are not building new prisons to house those kids that lacking the skills to compete for jobs turn to crime, great surely room for millions more! And I totally agree with the fact people have been leaving since ww2 why not take it back further and include the amount of people who emigrated after the roman invasion anyway you forgot to mention that Becky P is a member of the BNP and her dad operated gas chambers 
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
( or hampstead )
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
( or hampstead )
ViolentPanda
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brasicattack said:yeah I totally agree with violet pansy and the other deluded arseholes its just to scare colonels as we have such an abundance of social housing and our education system is not failing a third of all kids and we are not building new prisons to house those kids that lacking the skills to compete for jobs turn to crime, great surely room for millions more! And I totally agree with the fact people have been leaving since ww2 why not take it back further and include the amount of people who emigrated after the roman invasion anyway you forgot to mention that Becky P is a member of the BNP and her dad operated gas chambers
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
More incisive political commentary from the village idiot's village idiot.
Perhaps if you stop sniffing petrol fumes for a few minutes your gibberish might make a bit of sense.
brasicattack said:yeah I totally agree with violet pansy and the other deluded arseholes its just to scare colonels as we have such an abundance of social housing and our education system is not failing a third of all kids and we are not building new prisons to house those kids that lacking the skills to compete for jobs turn to crime, great surely room for millions more! And I totally agree with the fact people have been leaving since ww2 why not take it back further and include the amount of people who emigrated after the roman invasion anyway you forgot to mention that Becky P is a member of the BNP and her dad operated gas chambers
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
a deluded arsehole writes: what are you on about?
durruti02 said:
no not neutral .. maybe neutral in simple numbers but you need to look past that no .. it means the powers that be are more able to control us ..
all right then, give us some further explanations? how do we look past the number?
Fruitloop said:
you might note that the likes of me, Tree, mk, TB etc are drawing attention to immigration to draw attention to what capitalism is doing now. You and other liberals try to suggest that the ONLY alternative to open borders is fences and guns and beatings. in fact actually the solution comes from that immigation is not a natural phenomena but caused by supply and demand.in the US and UK neo liberalism has so triumphed that bosses openly workers with the support of govt policies and recruit low skill low wage workers. IT IS KNOWN globally that the US and UK are countries which it is worthwhile to emigrate to, that there will be work available at the lowest common denominator etc
THIS is how we must deal with immigration by stopping the demand from scum like bernard mathews and the gang masters to the NHS and their cowboy cleaning spiv outfits
we can always relocate Bernard Matthews in Poland, but what is that going to achieve?
ViolentPanda
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Want to post up some links to posts where guinnessdrinker and "other liberals" have suggested that "the ONLY alternative to open borders is fences and guns and beatings."?durruti02 said:
If you can't argue using facts, then why bother to argue at all?
Muppet.
ViolentPanda
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guinnessdrinker said:
What, besides putting several thousand native East Anglians (including 2nd and 3rd generation Portugese) out of work?
Not a lot.
durruti02 said:
in the US and UK neo liberalism has so triumphed that bosses openly workers with the support of govt policies and recruit low skill low wage workers. IT IS KNOWN globally that the US and UK are countries which it is worthwhile to emigrate to, that there will be work available at the lowest common denominator etc
THIS is how we must deal with immigration by stopping the demand from scum like bernard mathews and the gang masters to the NHS and their cowboy cleaning spiv outfits
What is it exactly you plan to do though? That's what me and the other 'liberals' want to know.
Are you some kind of a trot btw?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Where's baldwin? 
ViolentPanda said:
relocating work abroad, one of the great debates and fears of french workers. even Perrier water is being threatened with relocation to China. they're not happy about it.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
brasicattack said:yeah I totally agree with violet pansy and the other deluded arseholes its just to scare colonels as we have such an abundance of social housing and our education system is not failing a third of all kids and we are not building new prisons to house those kids that lacking the skills to compete for jobs turn to crime, great surely room for millions more! And I totally agree with the fact people have been leaving since ww2 why not take it back further and include the amount of people who emigrated after the roman invasion anyway you forgot to mention that Becky P is a member of the BNP and her dad operated gas chambers
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
FFS, another member of baldwin's brains trust.
nino_savatte said:Where's baldwin?
it would definitely add some spice to the debate....
nino_savatte
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guinnessdrinker said:
He'd make some comment about what % of the world's population are in Higher Education, then make some comment about his brand of 'socialism'. Aye, I look forward to another predictable series of posts from him.
ViolentPanda
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Fruitloop said:
Nah, he saves that for drinking.
nino_savatte
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ViolentPanda said:Nah, he saves that for drinking.
That would explain a lot.
ViolentPanda
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Fruitloop said:
I really fail to see why this issue gets the knickers of this bunch in such a twist. What is their beef, really?
If certain of them weren't so vehement that there is good as well as ill that comes out of any immigration then I wouldn't say they had any beef except sincere concern.
it's when they get so aggressively anti-immigration that I think their knickers might be twisting for less than sincere reasons.
ViolentPanda
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Fruitloop said:
I really fail to see why this issue gets the knickers of this bunch in such a twist. What is their beef, really?
It's also noticable that the replies of the knee-jerk tendency have little to do with the OP and it's (contentious) contents, and a lot to do with the generalised positions they've aired over and over again on other threads, never conveying any possible solutions, just "arguments" about the evils of emigration/immigration.
Personally I haven't taken Durutti seriously since he opined that fighting fascism was a waste of time and effort that could be applied more usefully to the general anti-Capitalist struggle, seemingly blind to the fact that if one allows fascism or neo-fascism a foothold, then anti-Capitalism goes down the shitter.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
durruti02 said:
Really?
Here in Mexico, and when I lived in Sudan, Canada was No.1 choice followed by Germany. The UK was WAY down the list of desirable destinations...
...whilst amongst my British friends (oddly) Canada is also No.1 choice followed by China, SE Asia and then Oz and NZ.
Imo you`re oversimplifying again.
maybe if violet wanka and yourself had access to knickers you would not spend 90% of your lives on these boards. Oh what weak egos you must have.My point was easy for most to see however i do accept violet that you and brewers droop are thick so i apologise.
ViolentPanda
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brasicattack said:maybe if violet wanka and yourself had access to knickers you would not spend 90% of your lives on these boards. Oh what weak egos you must have.My point was easy for most to see however i do accept violet that you and brewers droop are thick so i apologise.
More playing with usernames, dickhead?
Pretty much all you're good for.
ViolentPanda said:
The abuse is part of my confusion though. Why such vehemence on this particular issue? I mean, it's true both that employers use migrants to drive down wages and undermine worker's solidarity, and also that internationalism is a key foundation-stone for progressive politics.
I mean, the US part of my company just outsourced to India and sacked pretty much every single developer, and they only didn't do it to us (yet) on grounds of short-term pragmatics, so it's not like these issues are a million miles away from me in my ivory tower - and yet still I can think about them without soiling my trousers. Most odd.
ViolentPanda
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Yes, but what does internationalism mean to you, and what does it mean to them, that's a question that needs to be answered.Fruitloop said:
Does it mean transcending nationalism in pursuit of class and politics-based relations, or does it mean something else slightly less "noble"?
I mean, the US part of my company just outsourced to India and sacked pretty much every single developer, and they only didn't do it to us (yet) on grounds of short-term pragmatics, so it's not like these issues are a million miles away from me in my ivory tower - and yet still I can think about them without soiling my trousers. Most odd.
It's a focal point for a sense of futility IMO. All the shouting and vehemence in the world solves nothing (only action does that), but you wouldn't guess that by reading the simplistic drivel (often leavened with a nice dose of social prejudice in brasicattack's case. He appears to believe that anyone who opposes his views lives in Stoke Newington or hampstead, and is middle-class, apparently.
) that the "must have borders" mob come out with.brasicattack said:yeah I totally agree with violet pansy and the other deluded arseholes its just to scare colonels as we have such an abundance of social housing and our education system is not failing a third of all kids and we are not building new prisons to house those kids that lacking the skills to compete for jobs turn to crime, great surely room for millions more! And I totally agree with the fact people have been leaving since ww2 why not take it back further and include the amount of people who emigrated after the roman invasion anyway you forgot to mention that Becky P is a member of the BNP and her dad operated gas chambers
oh the joys of an ignorant life in stokey
You have to be a bit dubious about the motives of some of these people who seem unable to debate without throwing out all kinds of puerile little jibes.
Violent Panda seems to spend 25 hours a day on here telling people what they can and can't say! I wonder if he has a secret fetish for dressing up in uniforms.
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