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Freemasons in the UK, a general discussion

The 'beast' scrawl is higher up, the masonic imagery done lower down. Likely the persons did not wish to climb again when doing the pyramid and eye. Really, ffs.
really ffs what? Beast is written 3 times, all below the top of window height, same as the symbol.
 
Savile wasn't a Freemason, someone with an ego that big would have wanted a grand rank and would have got one for his charitable work.
 
I reckon this graffiti was done by the local Womens Institute.

I mean, it's pretty tame stuff isn't it?

"Jimmy The Beast" :hmm:

Not a "nonce", "cunt", or "bastard" in sight, no smashed windows, and a neat little Eye of Providence.

It looks like the work of the Girl Guides.
fwiw, according to The Sun "They branded Savile ‘beast’ and ‘worst c***’ in huge black letters over the Glencoe cottage.
 
Tory Island off the Donegal coast has any number of Evil Eye's... and a mythology about Balor stretching back a couple of millenia... as far as I know there is no Masonic connection.
 
and the person painting it takes symbolism about as seriously as me when I draw a cock on the toilet walls in biro

:)

I recently encountered a sketch book in Easons bookshop in Newry which someone had drawn (really well, as it goes) an erect and spunking cock in pencil. It was done with lots of shading and even a throbbing vein, so some bare-faced budding artist had gone to a fair bit of bother.

It's 'eye' was not necessarily "evil", but I still suspect a Masonic connection.
 
thanks.

so the ambiguity remains. Is this, as most here seem to assume, an attack on freemasonry, or should it be taken as the all seeing eye is watching with the unstated corollary "don't grass"?
 
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Can someone explain what that image has to do with freemasonry?​
If it were an eye over a square and compass I'd understand :confused: Someone posts a picture and it somehow becomes a masonic sign. but what masonic sign is it, may be that's a secret ;)
 
:)

I recently encountered a sketch book in Easons bookshop in Newry which someone had drawn (really well, as it goes) an erect and spunking cock in pencil. It was done with lots of shading and even a throbbing vein, so some bare-faced artist had gone to a fair bit of bother.

It's 'eye' was not necessarily "evil", but I still suspect a Masonic connection.

due to the PC brigade we have to call that a 'chaps eye' because 'Japs eye' is a bit off. Also its offensive to everyone who has an epicanthic fold
 
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Can someone explain what that image has to do with freemasonry?​
If it were an eye over a square and compass I'd understand :confused: Someone posts a picture and it somehow becomes a masonic sign. but what masonic sign is it, may be that's a secret ;)
VP had a stab here. The newspapers all made the connection. Personally I'm trying not to make a connection in any negative sense without evidence.
 
thanks.

so the ambiguity remains. Is this, as most here seem to assume, an attack on freemasonry, or should it be taken as the all seeing eye is watching with the unstated corollary "don't grass"?
If it is an attack on freemasonry it is a very strange symbol to use, I don't think it is a sign that most freemasons would recognize as a masonic sign :confused:

Freemasonry, has chapters as well as lodges (under UGLE) and I can not find this symbol anywhere with-in lodge or chapter ritual.
 
VP had a stab here.
I'm not sure he does. He is helpfully looking for linkage, but this just isn't a recognizable masonic symbol as far as I can see. If it is then may be someone can link to it and explain its significances to British Freemasons.
 
maybe this strand of discussion shouldn't be on this thread at all then.

I have been a bit puzzled that none of the Eye of Providence images I've seen have been as drawn, but I put that down to my unfamiliarity with the topic.

If it's not a masonic symbol then the question "what is it?" has to be added to "why was it put there?".
 
maybe this strand of discussion shouldn't be on this thread at all then.

I have been a bit puzzled that none of the Eye of Providence images I've seen have been as drawn, but I put that down to my unfamiliarity with the topic.

If it's not a masonic symbol then the question "what is it?" has to be added to "why was it put there?".
I think the only person who can tell you that is the person who painted it and I'm not sure even then you'd get a coherent answer :)
 
I'm not sure he does. He is helpfully looking for linkage, but this just isn't a recognizable masonic symbol as far as I can see. If it is then may be someone can link to it and explain its significances to British Freemasons.
the linkages from that sort of symbol are mostly via CTer sites I think, although Wiki does give a reference for the link

Today, the Eye of Providence is usually associated with Freemasonry. The Eye first appeared as part of the standard iconography of the Freemasons in 1797, with the publication of Thomas Smith Webb's Freemasons Monitor.[5] Here, it represents the all-seeing eye of God and is a reminder that a Mason's thoughts and deeds are always observed by God (who is referred to in Masonry as the Great Architect of the Universe). Typically, the Masonic Eye of Providence has a semi-circular glory below the eye. Sometimes the Eye is enclosed by a triangle.
Popular among conspiracy theorists is the claim that the Eye of Providence shown atop an unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States indicates the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States

I'd expect this symbol on that house was someone trying to point out a link between Savile and Freemasonry (or possibly the Illuminati), but that doesn't really mean a hell of a lot as I'm sure most would be aware that CTer type sites have been making that link for a while, and this isn't any different to that.

On reflection, I'm not entirely convinced the idea stacks up, with him being a Catholic and all. That said, it's not exactly impossible, and it might help explain some of the odder stuff like him having a bunch of coppers around for afternoon tea once a week for years... or he could have just been having tea with some friendly coppers to keep them sweet without any masonic involvement.

It might also help explain how his paths kept crossing with all these apparently random people running kids homes, schools, hospitals, broadmoor etc if he was, but that's all just circumstantial really.
 
the linkages from that sort of symbol are mostly via CTer sites I think, although Wiki does give a reference for the link



I'd expect this symbol on that house was someone trying to point out a link between Savile and Freemasonry (or possibly the Illuminati), but that doesn't really mean a hell of a lot as I'm sure most would be aware that CTer type sites have been making that link for a while, and this isn't any different to that.

On reflection, I'm not entirely convinced the idea stacks up, with him being a Catholic and all. That said, it's not exactly impossible, and it might help explain some of the odder stuff like him having a bunch of coppers around for afternoon tea once a week for years... or he could have just been having tea with some friendly coppers to keep them sweet without any masonic involvement.

It might also help explain how his paths kept crossing with all these apparently random people running kids homes, schools, hospitals, broadmoor etc if he was, but that's all just circumstantial really.
Is it the Eye of providence?

As I posted somewhere else, someone with an ego like savile would have wanted grand rank and savile doesn't hold any grand rank.
 
It's the illuminati pyramid with the eye on the top; only the eye would have been difficult to spray paint inside a small pyramid - is my guess.
 
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