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Fascists, Fascism and the Invasion.
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nogojones
spelling is overrated
They said they're a pacifist, so they might just give you a very mean look.
We've not had a good come and meet me down the market for a scrap post for ages.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He'll bore me to death with a spittle-flecked rantThey said they're a pacifist, so they might just give you a very mean look.
We've not had a good come and meet me down the market for a scrap post for ages.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I think our puce-cheeked friend would prefer a couple of slices of gammon topped with a pineapple ring
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Is the Dulwich Hamlet antivaxxer so quickly forgotten?They said they're a pacifist, so they might just give you a very mean look.
We've not had a good come and meet me down the market for a scrap post for ages.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I had that forum on ignore and seemed to miss this, because it was sporty things. However I have recently started following it in the hope of some light entertainment. I feel let down though as they keep blathering on about some small time football team.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's a very clever satireI had that forum on ignore and seemed to miss this, because it was sporty things. However I have recently started following it in the hope of some light entertainment. I feel let down though as they keep blathering on about some small time football team.
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Malcolm Nance offers his perspective:
www.theguardian.com
Malcolm Nance, TV pundit turned fighter in Ukraine: ‘I believe in the defense of democracy’
The MSNBC counter-terrorism expert and former US navy servicemember discusses his decision to take up arms in Ukraine
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
BBC's perspective
Filmed in 2018 this covers the launch of Asov's National Militia and gives some insight into Azov's influence.
Filmed in 2018 this covers the launch of Asov's National Militia and gives some insight into Azov's influence.
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and ?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I went to watch thinking it was news and current, but it's an old program that's been posted before iirc. Think if people are just posting links to a video it's worth giving some details.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I've edited my post. I'll come back to the issue of the politics and role of the Azov movement later.
ska invita
back on the other side
My sketchy understanding of the timeline here is Arsen Avakov was in power from 2014 as Minister of Internal Affairs, he consolidated power in that time and gave support (financial and moral) to far right forces within Ukraine.
Zelensky came to power in 2019, and reappointed Avakov. This was criticised by his supporters but perhaps justified as necessary realpolitik "President Zelensky needs him because of his links to the dark side of the Ukrainian deep state, against which the president’s young reformers are often powerless." - a deal with the devil.
Zelenksy also supposedly said the appointment would be temporary, and sure enough Avakov was kicked out in 2021.
A sympathetic reading would be that Zelensky inherited a state that gave support to far right forces and chose a strategy to edge away from that over time.
I of course dont know, I can only glean from english language articles
Zelensky came to power in 2019, and reappointed Avakov. This was criticised by his supporters but perhaps justified as necessary realpolitik "President Zelensky needs him because of his links to the dark side of the Ukrainian deep state, against which the president’s young reformers are often powerless." - a deal with the devil.
Zelenksy also supposedly said the appointment would be temporary, and sure enough Avakov was kicked out in 2021.
A sympathetic reading would be that Zelensky inherited a state that gave support to far right forces and chose a strategy to edge away from that over time.
I of course dont know, I can only glean from english language articles
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think Avakov's trick of supporting the security forces and the military and, at the same time, the militia , the positioning, and influence of the far right forces, and the complex realpoilitiks can be illustrated by the following episode.
In 2019 France and Germany offered to facilitate a four-way meeting with Zelensky and Putin . In October of that year , the Ukrainian Armed Forces ordered the retreat of Ukrainian troops from Zolote and two other cities to increase the distance between the front lines ( they were 30 meters, throwing distance of a hand grenade) to try and avoid or at least reduce the constant skirmishes and ceasefire violations. On the Russian separatist side, a similar 'retreat' would occur. There was widespread condemnation of this move by several rightwing groups and politicians. Thousands of Ukrainians including Zelensky’s predecessor Petro Poroshenko protested in the capital Kiev and other cities, calling a pullback of troops as an act of “surrender.” One of the MPs from European Solidarity ( Poroshenko's party) Sofia Fedyna said on her YouTube channel “Mr. President thinks he is immortal,” she said in a video shared on Facebook. “A grenade may explode there, by chance. And it would be the nicest if this happened during Moscow’s shelling when someone comes to the front line wearing a white or blue shirt.”
Biletsky, head of Azov's National Corps and the Azov Battalion, threatened Zelensky on his YouTube channel that more veterans would head to Zolote if the president tried to evict them from the town. “There will be thousands there instead of several dozen,” he said, to "defend the positions conquered with blood".
Zelensky spent a night in Zolote and as part of his visit went to talk to the National Corps members who were had refused to move out of the area ( the Marines had moved). There is an incredible video around that shows the elected President of Ukraine ( 73% of the vote) having to argue with a member of Azov's National Corps (a chap called Denys Yantar who had served in the Azov Battalion) . Despite having to be reminded by Zelensky that he was in fact the President Yanter was quoted afterward as saying "I don't know what his [Zelensky's] further plan is, but we'll keep on staying here while there is a threat of senseless disengagement and loss of Ukraine's territory," he told the "No to Surrender Last Roadblock" Telegram channel in a video comment.
Avakov intervened and the National Corps retreated.
Two days later Avakov visited the Azov training camp in Mariopol and made it clear that “the special force Azov is a legal unit of the Ukrainian National Guard and its soldiers have been exemplary in the tasks of combat performed in the defense of the homeland”. “The information campaign about the alleged propagation of Nazi ideology among the military is a deliberate attempt to discredit unity, particularly among Ukraine's international partners, and provoke a crisis in the relationship with our allies”, continued the minister. In terms of visual communication, the Azov Regiment has recently shown particular care not to be politically connected"
ska invita
back on the other side
I found these two videos useful - lots of information presented clearly
The Ukraine one may have been posted upthread
I dont think the Russian one has though
The Ukraine one may have been posted upthread
I dont think the Russian one has though
Guardian running this article in support of the wives of neo Nazis. FFS.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not seeing an article with your link
Anguish for partners of Mariupol’s defenders as Russian assault goes on
Amid reports of grim conditions inside the Azovstal steelworks, wives try to rally support for an evacuation of remaining Ukrainian troops
strung out
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Not really accurate, as has been pointed out a few times.
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Starry Wisdom
well it is the guardian after all
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I was referring to IC3D's comment that they're all Neo-Nazis.
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Starry Wisdom
oh, that too
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The times they are a changing
16th Feb 2022
www.theguardian.com
7th May 2022
www.theguardian.com
16th Feb 2022
Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine
British authorities have concerns about neo-Nazis seeking weapons training and military experience
7th May 2022
Anguish for partners of Mariupol’s defenders as Russian assault goes on
Amid reports of grim conditions inside the Azovstal steelworks, wives try to rally support for an evacuation of remaining Ukrainian troops
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They rarely let the facts get in the way of their ability to make idiotic statements.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Bet the Azov are all for vaccine mandates too, fascists that they are
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Makes you think
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Fundraiser for Azov this weekend
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