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Alt-Right/Fascist support for Putin

These russian fash are opposed to the war and seem to think it was planned with the full knowledge of the west and the Ukrainian government (!) http://ronsslav./com/vojna/ they also complain that Putin is going after Ukrainian brothers rather than a bunch of other enemies I'm not going to repeat here. Surprised their website was still going given I wrote about them 4 years ago, I guess a one man and his dog fash group isn't that important to Putin.

They also basically share Putin's view that Ukraine isn't a country and say that Ukrainians are just Russians brainwashed to thinking they're Ukrainian
 
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petee said:
yeah they never went away.

"who live in a geographic area variously described as “the states of the Old Confederacy,” “the Bible belt,” and “white man’s land." "

that'll be disputed by a good number of red men and women.
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Oh yeah, I don't mean it'd be a wtf moment as in being surprised that those people exist, just that when you end up sat at a conference listening to the fuckers banging on about blood and soil you'd think it'd be a sign that you must have taken a bit of a wrong turn somewhere?
 
It's been the late noughties since I was in Russia, and likely will never return, not because of what is happening now but age and life changes, priorities etc. Didn't know you'd been studying there froggie. Will read your paper with interest. I had a burst of energy ten years ago reading up on Russian nationalist thought, imperialism and Eurasianism both classical and contemporary far-right. It's fascinating stuff but have forgotten some important knowledge along the way. The mundanities of life get in the way and fill your head instead. On topic, It's also important to note that Putin's kind of authoritarian rule isn't fascist.
 
seventh bullet said:
It's been the late noughties since I was in Russia, and likely will never return, not because of what is happening now but age and life changes, priorities etc. Didn't know you'd been studying there froggie. Will read your paper with interest. I had a burst of energy ten years ago reading up on Russian nationalist thought, imperialism and Eurasianism both classical and contemporary far-right. It's fascinating stuff but have forgotten some important knowledge along the way. The mundanities of life get in the way and fill your head instead. On topic, It's also important to note that Putin's kind of authoritarian rule isn't fascist.
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I actually don't think the paper was all that good and due to being in Russia was a bit careful of criticising Putin as much as I could have in the paper, I do think it has some interesting stuff though :)

Although Russian All National Union are fascist scum there was some interesting stuff found on their website, there was an absolutely horrific story they documented (and I don't think anyone else picked up) where a young russian nationalist / far right volunteer was fitted up for a murder, tortured and abused by separatist authorities in the donbass who he had gone there to help. I wrote about it to make the point that dissatisfaction among the far right could become a security threat against Putin especially if the conflict goes on and on.
 
And immigrants to Moscow from Kyrgyzstan. Meeting older people changed my perceptions of life in the USSR too, including under Stalin. Russians and other former Soviet citizens aren't backward idiots who like to lick the boots of whichever ruler is in power at the time.
 
ska invita said:
interesting that that is in the Morning Star...I havent seen the tone of their coverage of this
I wonder if any of the UK Communist longstanding Putin-bots might change their opinions over this invasion...might have the effect of Hungary 56 in making some of the UK Communist zealots question some of their assumptions
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Yeah I don't look at the Morning Star at all, I randomly saw it looking for something else. I did have a look through their coverage of Ukraine and not all was like that, some was OK. They are one of the last hangouts for that type of politics though, so I wasn't surprised. And yeah I wonder if this will be beyond the pale for even some of the old pro-Russia/USSR left.
 
bimble said:
i fell down a twitter hole. That are quite a lot of Hindu nationalist Modi supporter accounts who are cheering on Russia.
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They may well welcome this then:


Not sure how well any Pakistani delegates might get on with Modi's lot, though?
 
Been wondering for a while what do these words fascism and nazism mean in the very different context of Russia . When people are told the war is about denazification what does it mean?
 
bimble said:
Been wondering for a while what do these words fascism and nazism mean in the very different context of Russia . When people are told the war is about denazification what does it mean?
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As far as I can tell it's pretty much the same thing - of course, labelling something a Nazi is a great way to get it disliked by pretty much everyone. It started to be thrown about liberally against Ukraine since they rejected Putin's advances in 2014, since when the false narrative has been that the native Ukranians have been conducting a genocide against the Russians.

So no, I don't think the context is markedly different at all. Just more batshit detachment than most people can comprehend. I think at least a substantial amount of the "Russia must be allowed to govern Ukraine" animosity is historical, based on some of what happened in WWII when lots of ukranians sided with the advancing nazi forces (ukraine itself having just been put through a decade of famine, if not outright starvation, thanks to Stalin). So it's relatively simple reductionism by cold war relics like Putin to ascribe anything that doesn't go his way in Ukraine as being the fault of "the nazi Ukranians".
 
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The modi supporters have a hashtag going on that says #IStandWithPutin .
Far as I can tell it’s mostly just admiration for his manliness in how he deals with pesky neighbours.
 
stdP said:
As far as I can tell it's pretty much the same thing - of course, labelling something a Nazi is a great way to get it disliked by pretty much everyone. It started to be thrown about liberally against Ukraine since they rejected Putin's advances in 2014, since when the false narrative has been that the native Ukranians have been conducting a genocide against the Russians.

So no, I don't think the context is markedly different at all. Just more batshit detachment than most people can comprehend. I think at least a substantial amount of the "Russia must be allowed to govern Ukraine" animosity is historical, based on some of what happened in WWII when lots of ukranians sided with the advancing nazi forces (ukraine itself having just been put through a decade of famine, if not outright starvation, thanks to Stalin). So it's relatively simple reductionism by cold war relics like Putin to ascribe anything that doesn't go his way in Ukraine as being the fault of "the nazi Ukranians".
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On the Maidan/Ukraine separatist thread as far back as 2013, several of us were pointing out the Nazi paramilitary/irregular involvement in the unfolding conflict, but also stating how tiny that was, but cautioning against the efforts of some of them to conceal themselves, and to counter the Putin fanboys who posted here at the time (Casually Red-Brown, remember him?) that it was a far wider fascist involvement than it was/is. The Russian ultra-nationalist right also has its own particular ideological inspiration and scaffolding on which to frame their support for the Russian state and its reawakened imperialist ambitions. Not all of it is explicitly 'Nazi.'
 
The russian far right and even fash mostly aren't Nazis. People like Barkashov etc are mostly irrelevant figures these days. Putin put the majority of Russian Nazis in jail and many of them ended up fighting in the Donbass,
 
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The russian far right and even fash mostly aren't Nazis. People like Barkashov etc are mostly irrelevant figures these days. Putin put the majority of Russian Nazis in jail and many of them ended up fighting in the Donbass,
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Barkashov Junior formed his own band of Nazi paramilitaries and travelled to eastern Ukraine, but similar to the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, actual Nazis on either side have been small players. There are elements on the Russian far right, though, which draw from different ideological currents than more recognisable fascism here in 'the west.'
 
America isn't short of thick witted cunts.

So thick witted that they don't realise that under Putin, they would be in the Gulag or dead.
 
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