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Let's get this straight. Trump can racially discriminate against black people, sexually assault women, move to restrict abortion rights, mock the disabled, separate children from their families, support Neo-Nazis, demonise immigrants etc. and Clegg doesn't think any of these are worthy of protest? But having a pop at the institutions of neo-liberal globalisation is a bridge too far? Typical Clegg.
 
What a silly game to play. I wonder how many hours you've spent on here posting stuff that convinces nobody and largely just pisses people off that you could have spent doing something meaningful and productive elsewhere?
This. If it had to be one or the other I'd go for community activism, fighting alongside people who have been sanctioned and the rest. But it isn't one or the other - and posts along the lines of treelover's do nothing to actually get people active.
 
I disagree with the priorities of the liberal left, sorry if that is not acceptable, 30,000 to make Chessum and Co feel they are doing something, no thanks, I know too many people who are suffering, some no longer with us,where is the mass support for them? Oh, and no fucker on here knows anything about what I do offline, but tonight i will be presenting a motion about the crisis in social care to my local branch, despite feeling like i am about to throw up, struggle to walk, etc, OK?
 
I disagree with the priorities of the liberal left, sorry if that is not acceptable, 30,000 to make Chessum and Co feel they are doing something, no thanks, I know too many people who are suffering, some no longer with us,where is the mass support for them? Oh, and no fucker on here knows anything about what I do offline, but tonight i will be presenting a motion about the crisis in social care to my local branch, despite feeling like i am about to throw up, struggle to walk, etc, OK?
I said myself, on page one, that it was a tremendous waste of money. People just get a bit pissed off with self righteous responses.
 
I said myself, on page one, that it was a tremendous waste of money. People just get a bit pissed off with self righteous responses.
... and who are you railing at on here? I'm going through PiP myself, even if I won't be on my uppers if/when I lose it (full time work, lecturer). But a lot of posters are on the receiving end of all this neoliberal shit and will be/are suffering hardship. You could be a bit more discriminating in your broadsides.
 
I disagree with the priorities of the liberal left, sorry if that is not acceptable, 30,000 to make Chessum and Co feel they are doing something, no thanks, I know too many people who are suffering, some no longer with us,where is the mass support for them? Oh, and no fucker on here knows anything about what I do offline, but tonight i will be presenting a motion about the crisis in social care to my local branch, despite feeling like i am about to throw up, struggle to walk, etc, OK?
Nobody's trying to hold you to account for your actions, beyond challenging your apparent desire to hold us to account for ours. OK?
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I didn't want to make it personal, but some posters were shouting why don't I do something, would have rather done it thru Pm's, but going out soon.
 
I didn't want to make it personal, but some posters were shouting why don't I do something, would have rather done it thru Pm's, but going out soon.

I didn't say 'why don't you do something', I said why don't you spend the time you waste on urban doing something meaningful instead. I was trying to demonstrate to you why your 'you should be doing x instead of y' hectoring is such a poor strategy. You don't know anything about the people who funded to the Trump balloon. They could also give to charity, volunteer at food banks or campaign for better social care. Maybe they should just give all their time and resources to these things instead of the Trump balloon. But then maybe you should spend less of your time on urban and more of it doing something actually meaningful and effective elsewhere. The truth is most of us don't always do the best they can do all the time, and so its not wise to berate people for so failing.
 
I didn't say 'why don't you do something', I said why don't you spend the time you waste on urban doing something meaningful instead. I was trying to demonstrate to you why your 'you should be doing x instead of y' hectoring is such a poor strategy. You don't know anything about the people who funded to the Trump balloon. They could also give to charity, volunteer at food banks or campaign for better social care. Maybe they should just give all their time and resources to these things instead of the Trump balloon. But then maybe you should spend less of your time on urban and more of it doing something actually meaningful and effective elsewhere. The truth is most of us don't always do the best they can do all the time, and so its not wise to berate people for so failing.
And even if the only thing they've done is to donate to the balloon, they have done something to raise the profile of something that people need to know about, and that's gold. If just a few hundred more people ask "So, Trump - just what is the fuss about?" and there are people around to talk about separating children from parents, sexual harassment, financial impropriety, etc., etc., then that publicity will have been worth it.

Of course, we can't quantify the benefit, but it's there.
 
And even if the only thing they've done is to donate to the balloon, they have done something to raise the profile of something that people need to know about, and that's gold. If just a few hundred more people ask "So, Trump - just what is the fuss about?" and there are people around to talk about separating children from parents, sexual harassment, financial impropriety, etc., etc., then that publicity will have been worth it.

Of course, we can't quantify the benefit, but it's there.

Even political satire in and of itself is an important good.
 
Even political satire in and of itself is an important good.
Sometimes it is the only good. And we know that satire is a powerful weapon against Trump. It's not just about poking him in the eye, but about ensuring that someone like him, in a position of overweening power is able to feel just a little bit vulnerable, and under scrutiny.
 
His doomcopters are circling above and making the windows shake
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His doomcopters are circling above and making the windows shake
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Yeah, I've seen them overhead around Manor House/Woodberry Down earlier in the week and again this afternoon.

And now two or three are attempting to land in my local park, by the sound of it :mad:

Maybe that inflatable can be used as a barrage balloon.
 
No where near the numbers that could be provided by the £10m being spent on security for the cunt's visit.

Indeed. Trump, I gather, will not see a single protester. I do hope all the malcontents on the streets making a nuisance of themselves, realise the only thing they are achieving is an overtime boost for the police?
 
Let's get this straight. Trump can racially discriminate against black people, sexually assault women, move to restrict abortion rights, mock the disabled, separate children from their families, support Neo-Nazis, demonise immigrants etc. and Clegg doesn't think any of these are worthy of protest? But having a pop at the institutions of neo-liberal globalisation is a bridge too far? Typical Clegg.

Clegg. Yesterday's man. #clegg'samuppet
 
And even if the only thing they've done is to donate to the balloon, they have done something to raise the profile of something that people need to know about, and that's gold. If just a few hundred more people ask "So, Trump - just what is the fuss about?" and there are people around to talk about separating children from parents, sexual harassment, financial impropriety, etc., etc., then that publicity will have been worth it.

Of course, we can't quantify the benefit, but it's there.

With the greatest of respect, utter bollocks. There can not be a single person in the UK who does not know who Trump is, and what he is.
 
Oh ffs
The way the media are fawning over him as he lands in Blenheim.
"Please like us please don't harm us"...Snow said this. And then he goes on to say, "nobody does these shows like us....anybody would think all is peace and love....what a great thing this is...good old Donald....I'm afraid tomorrow might not be as much fun"
 
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Indeed. Trump, I gather, will not see a single protester. I do hope all the malcontents on the streets making a nuisance of themselves, realise the only thing they are achieving is an overtime boost for the police?

And getting em sleeping in refugee conditions, result.

Ok so a bit better but they seem upset anyway.
 
Oh ffs
The way the media are fawning over him as he lands in Blenheim.
"Please like us please don't harm us"
John Snow says "nobody does these shows like us....anybody would think all is peace and love....what a great thing this is...good old Donald....I'm afraid tomorrow might not be as much fun"

Way back in the day, I used to have to salute people with pips on their shoulders, no matter how much of a waste of space they were, however, as our recruit NCOs wisely informed us, you are saluting the Queen's commission, not the waste of space carrying it.

I regard Trump in the same way really, the office of US President is worthy of respect, in this case the man holding the office isn't.
 
I Tweeted a response to Hampshire Police Federation earlier, pointing out that the police's serial murder of black men pretty much guarantees that the public don't give a shit where they sleep, poor wee snowflakes.

(Response to #142).
 
Great seeing the lefties squirm and throw their tantrum.

Welcome to the UK Mr Trump. I hope you enjoy your trip

Enjoy:D

Beautiful wife as well
 
Great seeing the lefties squirm and throw their tantrum.

Welcome to the UK Mr Trump. I hope you enjoy your trip

Enjoy:D

Beautiful wife as well

I read this today. A friend pointed it out to me. And I am quoting it entirely.

Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
Babies in cages were no ‘mistake’ by Trump but test-marketing for barbarism
To grasp what is going on in the world right now, we need to reflect on two things. One is that we are in a phase of trial runs. The other is that what is being trialled is fascism – a word that should be used carefully but not shirked when it is so clearly on the horizon. Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism.

It is easy to dismiss Donald Trump as an ignoramus, not least because he is. But he has an acute understanding of one thing: test marketing. He created himself in the gossip pages of the New York tabloids, where celebrity is manufactured by planting outrageous stories that you can later confirm or deny depending on how they go down. And he recreated himself in reality TV where the storylines can be adjusted according to the ratings. Put something out there, pull it back, adjust, go again.

Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.

One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections – we’ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities. Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed. That’s been tested out too. And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of “alternative facts” impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.

Moral boundaries
But when you’ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination

People have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group.

It is this next step that is being test-marketed now. It is being done in Italy by the far-right leader and minister for the interior Matteo Salvini. How would it go down if we turn away boatloads of refugees? Let’s do a screening of the rough-cut of registering all the Roma and see what buttons the audience will press. And it has been trialled by Trump: let’s see how my fans feel about crying babies in cages. I wonder how it will go down with Rupert Murdoch.

To see, as most commentary has done, the deliberate traumatisation of migrant children as a “mistake” by Trump is culpable naivety. It is a trial run – and the trial has been a huge success. Trump’s claim last week that immigrants “infest” the US is a test-marketing of whether his fans are ready for the next step-up in language, which is of course “vermin”. And the generation of images of toddlers being dragged from their parents is a test of whether those words can be turned into sounds and pictures. It was always an experiment – it ended (but only in part) because the results were in.

‘Devious’ infants
And the results are quite satisfactory. There is good news on two fronts. First, Rupert Murdoch is happy with it – his Fox News mouthpieces outdid themselves in barbaric crassness: making animal noises at the mention of a Down syndrome child, describing crying children as actors. They went the whole swinish hog: even the brown babies are liars. Those sobs of anguish are typical of the manipulative behaviour of the strangers coming to infest us – should we not fear a race whose very infants can be so devious? Second, the hardcore fans loved it: 58 per cent of Republicans are in favour of this brutality. Trump’s overall approval ratings are up to 42.5 per cent.

This is greatly encouraging for the pre-fascist agenda. The blooding process has begun within the democratic world. The muscles that the propaganda machines need for defending the indefensible are being toned up. Millions and millions of Europeans and Americans are learning to think the unthinkable. So what if those black people drown in the sea? So what if those brown toddlers are scarred for life? They have already, in their minds, crossed the boundaries of morality. They are, like Macbeth, “yet but young in deed”. But the tests will be refined, the results analysed, the methods perfected, the messages sharpened. And then the deeds can follow.

Fintan O’Toole: Trial runs for fascism are in full flow
 
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