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I just dunno why it is going up.
speculation - it's a blatant financial bubble being pumped up by speculators owning a huge proportion of the bitcoins who'll probably then cash out at some stage leaving those not in the loop trying desperately to work out where their money has gone.

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http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/584.pdf

There seems to be a bit of controversy about the exact numbers involved here, but it at least roughly illustrates the idea that a relatively tiny proportion of all holders of Bit Coins hold more of them than the other 2.3 million ish combined.

If you're sitting on several million / tens of millions / hundreds of millions of dollars worth of an asset that's gone up in value a factor of 10 in the last year, or a factor of 100 in the last 2 years and you know to be highly vulnerable to a massive price crash, then basically you're playing a very high stakes game of poker with the other big holders of the asset whereby they can all continue to sit on their holdings and build up the price some more, or maybe even dribble them out gradually so as not to impact on the price too much.... but they all know that any one of them has the ability to cash out at any point, and in doing so to likely trigger a crash of such epic proportions that they'll either have to accept the loss of most of their bitcoin value, or take the ultimate gamble and attempt to reverse the crash by buying as much of the bitcoins being sold as possible.

As long as they all play the long game it'll be ok, but as soon as one of them cashes out, it becomes a double or quits situation for the rest, and if more of them decide to dump them than decided to buy, then the bubble would burst potentially to the point where it never recovers.

There is an alternative possibility that the demand globally will be big enough to enable these big holders to gradually wind down their exposure while allowing prices to continue to rise, and enough new investors with enough money behind them enter the market to water down the potential for that small number of large holders to cause complete meltdown by cashing out. I suspect this is what these big holders will now be attempting, but it's going to be a difficult trick to manage when any one of them could throw a massive spanner in the works at any time.

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for previous historic examples of similar bubbles, see for example, the tulip bubble of 1634-37. Things are obviously a bit different now, but the basic potential of the situation remain the same.

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mtgoxUSD
 
speculation - it's a blatant financial bubble being pumped up by speculators owning a huge proportion of the bitcoins who'll probably then cash out at some stage leaving those not in the loop trying desperately to work out where their money has gone.

btcpyramid.png

http://eprint.iacr.org/2012/584.pdf

There seems to be a bit of controversy about the exact numbers involved here, but it at least roughly illustrates the idea that a relatively tiny proportion of all holders of Bit Coins hold more of them than the other 2.3 million ish combined.

If you're sitting on several million / tens of millions / hundreds of millions of dollars worth of an asset that's gone up in value a factor of 10 in the last year, or a factor of 100 in the last 2 years and you know to be highly vulnerable to a massive price crash, then basically you're playing a very high stakes game of poker with the other big holders of the asset whereby they can all continue to sit on their holdings and build up the price some more, or maybe even dribble them out gradually so as not to impact on the price too much.... but they all know that any one of them has the ability to cash out at any point, and in doing so to likely trigger a crash of such epic proportions that they'll either have to accept the loss of most of their bitcoin value, or take the ultimate gamble and attempt to reverse the crash by buying as much of the bitcoins being sold as possible.

As long as they all play the long game it'll be ok, but as soon as one of them cashes out, it becomes a double or quits situation for the rest, and if more of them decide to dump them than decided to buy, then the bubble would burst potentially to the point where it never recovers.

There is an alternative possibility that the demand globally will be big enough to enable these big holders to gradually wind down their exposure while allowing prices to continue to rise, and enough new investors with enough money behind them enter the market to water down the potential for that small number of large holders to cause complete meltdown by cashing out. I suspect this is what these big holders will now be attempting, but it's going to be a difficult trick to manage when any one of them could throw a massive spanner in the works at any time.

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for previous historic examples of similar bubbles, see for example, the tulip bubble of 1634-37. Things are obviously a bit different now, but the basic potential of the situation remain the same.

images


mtgoxUSD

lol, you even did the 'tulips' thing. :D
 
Bitcoins seized in Silk Road raid

Authorities in the US have seized an estimated $28m in bitcoins, a digital currency, from the alleged owner of Silk Road, the online marketplace for drugs and criminal activity that law enforcement shut down three weeks ago.

I can't help but wonder whether this is merely a fortuitous by-product of the Silk road bust for the authorities or whether they had it down as a primary objective as well.
 
I have no idea. I haven't been following this as closely as others, not having any Bitcoins myself. I was rather hoping some others on here would have some more informed speculation than mine.
 
I wonder if he cashed out on the 29th Oct at $886,000.

Because if he held, today they'd be worth $1,540,000. :eek:

Cheers everyone, I'm off to the pub!
 
It may well be a bit early to trust SR2. However for anyone who's interested it may well be worth buying some coins now and putting an order through in a month or so. Used this way the SR (often) becomes remarkably cheap!
 
seems to have gone up $100 over the last few days.

SR 2.0 I guess

Some huge rises the last few days, up to $330, $340, $352 $357 now (this actually changed as I was typing this post).

Definitely feels like another bubble, but the biggest yet. Could be SR2, big interest in China or the recent media attention (that guy in Norway) or a combination of everything.

I predict a big pop, but the price settling back to a 'new normal' higher than the before.
 
Why are bitbargain sellers asking for nearly £300 per coin when mtgox says it's worth £276.

Roll on the crash so I can buy some more really cheap ones. :p
I know I have two already but I bought them at £140+ each and I 'already lost' that money in my head when they went down after I bought them.
 
Why are bitbargain sellers asking for nearly £300 per coin when mtgox says it's worth £276.
the mtgox price is only the average of what people think they are worth.
similarly.. the bitbargain people think they are worth £300

if you were that minded, you could buy on mtgox, then sell on bitbargain and make your self £24 each time..
 
the mtgox price is only the average of what people think they are worth.
similarly.. the bitbargain people think they are worth £300

if you were that minded, you could buy on mtgox, then sell on bitbargain and make your self £24 each time..
Thanks, I'll bear that in mind when I buy more after this current boom ends.
The scary thing is that normally after booms, the prices go back down again, but they dont seem to be :(
I won't sell these ones i have as I think in a few years, they may go up higher than they are now, but this current rise, seems like a bubble in my very novice opinion. :)
 
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