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[brogdale]

I'm presently recovering from an operation and therefore spending far too much time on Musk's platform; saw this and it made me giggle...



If you still use the horrid platform, don't click on 'Actual Names'...it's just too funny and you'll be lost in there for ages.

 

[two sheds]

What you have to ask yourself is: why do they want to hurt those people? Νot because if their answer is “good” enough, we’ll say, “oh, okay then!” But because if we don’t understand why, we don’t have a hope in hell’s chance of defusing their hatred. People don’t just wake up one day with the thought in their head that they want to hurt others. It’s a process that happens over time, arising from a massive nexus of social experiences. So ideally, we want to do two things. First, we want to interrupt that pipeline and stop new people from becoming radicalised by hate. And second, we want to find a way to undo the process. Neither of these are possible if we haven’t understood where it is coming from.

I think a lot of people have had a building resentment pretty well over the last 40 -50 years that their world view is ignored. They are being told how to talk, and are called out if they make the old racist/sexist jokes that they've grown up with and still enjoy laughing at. They hated the Vietnam War protestors and feel the same about general anti-war protests. Christians have seen their religion sidelined by more liberal generations, and their demands for what people should believe and how people behave ignored or ridiculed. Trump is a way to fight back.

 

[kabbes]

I think a lot of people have had a building resentment pretty well over the last 40 -50 years that their world view is ignored. They are being told how to talk, and are called out if they make the old racist/sexist jokes that they've grown up with and still enjoy laughing at. They hated the Vietnam War protestors and feel the same about general anti-war protests. Christians have seen their religion sidelined by more liberal generations, and their demands for what people should believe and how people behave ignored or ridiculed. Trump is a way to fight back.

I think this is a lot closer to the truth.

Still, though, supposed answers to this question seem to involve a lot of suppositions made by people who didn’t vote for Trump, and precious little directly from the mouths of those who did. That’s part of the problem — lots of talking about the disaffected and not so much talking to them. Which, of course, feeds the disaffection further.

 

[tim]

I read that many Latino/Latina voters were put off by being referred to by the made up word Latinx too.

And others use it because they think it is gender neutral and prefer it that way. Others from the reject the Eurocentric terms Latino/Latina/Latinx because they excludes the indigenous and African aspect of the culture.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I can't believe were still talking about this guy, let alone almost 300 pages into it. I can't wait for the day when I no longer have to see or hear him in the news. That date just go a whole lot further off.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't believe were still talking about this guy, let alone almost 300 pages into it. I can't wait for the day when I no longer have to see or hear him in the news. That date just go a whole lot further off.

I look forward to the day dogs turn their noses up at his rotting corpse

 

[pug]

There are massive contradictions in the Trump coalition:
Big pharma money/capitalist interests v anti vaxxers
Cash-only paranoids & gold standard fetishists v bitcoin “revolutionary” tech bros
Evangelicals v atheist/amoral “libertarians”
Russophobic Birchers v Putin lickers
Anti-semite white-nationalist isolationists v Netanyahu fanboys & Christian Zionists
MAGA proletarians expecting improvements v social Darwinist “entrepreneurs” who see them as under-exploited “losers”
Electric vehicle manufacturers v big oil and gas
Nihilist “state smashers” and asset strippers looking to profit from chaos v cop-loving big-budget security fetishists seeking ironclad “stability”

Whilst some of these people have early common goals, most diverge sooner or later.

At the centre of all these clashing worldviews is the court of King Donald, leaning towards the last person who flattered him on a daily basis.
Interesting times ahead.

They are all in some way cult like?

 

[Lord Camomile]

All it really shows is that people who vote Trump are more likely to say they feel more hardship. Thing is I would bet money that many of those people will get worse off over the next 4 years, but still say they feel better off.

I always think, where possible, it's important to get people to commit to certain ideas and metrics beforehand, so you have something to hold them to on the other side.

If you so it all after the fact, it's always much easier to claim opinions or values that are more convenient, makes it easier to stick to what they know.

I don't know how exactly it'd be done, but I'd really love for someone to get some Trump voters on the record now about what they expect from his government, what has he promised that they want delivered, and then return to them just under four years from now to see how they think he's done.

I suspect, most likely, it'd force a lot of them to confront their cognitive dissonance head on. Many would still try and square it away somehow, that's human, but at least we'd have hard evidence of it rather than just the more easily evaded supposition.

 

[LDC]

Jesus fucking christ, Channel 4 News is reporting Musk is already on some of the calls Trump's having with other leaders.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Jesus fucking christ, Channel 4 News is reporting Musk is already on some of the calls Trump's having with other leaders.

Can't be long until Joe Rogan is allowed in the room too.

 

[VivaE]

Jesus fucking christ, Channel 4 News is reporting Musk is already on some of the calls Trump's having with other leaders.

I'm surprised that you're surprised. trump is just doing what he said he was going to do. There ARE no what can be credibly described as surprises ahead.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm surprised that you're surprised. trump is just doing what he said he was going to do. There are no what can be described as surprises ahead.

Yeh people should realise he's often a man of his word

 

[Yossarian]

It was a stupid thing to say and it probably went at least part of the way toward costing her the election, but I don't think Hillary Clinton was all that wide of the mark with her infamous 2016 remarks

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

I don't think the Democratic party's going to have much luck reaching people like these RNC attendees, or those the Trump campaign tried to appeal to in the last weeks of the campaign when they switched focus from the economy to attacking trans rights, and I hope whatever reset the Democrats try for next doesn't involve throwing marginalised groups under the bus

 

[Elpenor]

Aye well, happens here too with 'lads' and 'guys' for example.

I’ve made a point of switching to folks which is hopefully more inclusive

 

[moochedit]

If Trump does manage to change the constitution & run for a 3rd term , then it would be Hello Obama ! & Trump knows he would lose .

The process of changing it requires two thirds of congress and then it has to be ratified by a certain number of the state goverments so i doubt he has the numbers to do it legally. (He could get some "creative interpretation" by friendly judges i suppose)