Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm if he give this guy a position who know what this worm infested brain will tell him to do
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hmm if he give this guy a position who know what this worm infested brain will tell him to do
Yossarian
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Trump obviously did something right, but it's weird seeing him get credit for running a supposedly tight campaign focused on the issues when he spent most of his time rambling about random shit like Arnold Palmer's dick
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, fair point, but I'm figuring that the cohorts he needed to reach heard the issues addressed as they wanted. I suppose this is a question of segregated media?
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Yep there are some interesting contradictions in Trump's coalition, that's for sure.Not sure if he checked that statement with his boss but arn't the anti-abortion lot against the stem cells stuff?
Yossarian
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That total fucking weirdo Bannon promised "rough Roman justice" after Trump won, too bad he didn't get shanked in prison
You stole the 2020 election. You’ve mocked and ridiculed and put people in prison and broken people’s lives because you said this thing was stolen. This entire phony thing is getting swept out. Biden’s getting swept out. Kamala Harris is getting swept out. MSNBC is getting swept out. The Justice Department is getting swept out. The FBI is getting swept out. You people suck, okay?! And now you’re going to pay the price for trying to destroy this country.
And I’m going to tell you, we’re going to get to the bottom of where the 600,000 votes [are]. You manufactured them to steal this election from President Trump in 2020. And think what this country would be if we hadn’t gone through the last four years of your madness, okay? You don’t deserve any respect, you don’t deserve any empathy, and you don’t deserve any pity.
And if anybody gives it to you, it’s Donald J. Trump, because he’s got a big heart and he’s a good man. A good man that you’re still gonna try to put in prison on the 26th of this month. This is how much you people suck. Okay? You’ve destroyed his business thing. And he came back.
He came back in the greatest show of political courage, I think, in world history. Like, [Roman statesman] Cincinnatus coming back from the plough [returning to politics to rescue the Roman Republic]. He’s the American Cincinnatus. And what he has done is a profile in courage. We’ve had his back. But I got to tell you, he may be empathetic. He may have a kind heart. He may be a good man. But we’re not. Okay? And you deserve, as Natalie Winters says, not retribution, justice. But you deserve what we call rough Roman justice, and we’re prepared to give it to you.
‘YOU PEOPLE SUCK!’ Bannon Vows DOJ and FBI Will ‘Pay the Price’ When Trump Re-Takes Office
Bannon warned the federal government that it would “pay the price for trying to destroy this country” as soon as Trump takes office.
www.mediaite.com
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yes another one that springs to mind is trumpists that hate EVs and Musk.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Yep - "harris lost cos she ran a terrible campaign" - seems a bizzare analysis when Trump's campaign consisted almost daily facepalms such as multple bizzare brainfarts, spewing hate and lies and doing shit like giving a thumbs up at veterens graves, felating a mic stand and going on about immigrants eating pets. Whatever it was that appealed to voters about Trump im not sure its something that harris could have emulated.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
So you think there was no way to beat Trump?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
well if he takes away social care and Medicare in the united states .. dia-bat-es will thin his voter ranks in time
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
But this does suggest that many US voters are not seeing or choosing not to see the media coverage that we are.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
It seems to me that Harris didnt have much time to turnaround a long-standing abandonment of the working class and as Bernie Sanders rightly says here the Democrats talking about 'bread and butter issues'...
www.theguardian.com
And we have exactly the same problem in this country of course with Labour and the void that has created, which has allowed a right-wing narrative to become the predominant one.
@brogdale also makes a good point that many Trump supporters may well be mostly watching and consuming media that constantly places a very different spin on things than liberal-leaning pro-Democrat media (especially if we consider the young male demographic that has supported Trump this time).
Nothing unusual there, we can see how this has played out for years with our own press. Social media certainly polarises and distorts this even further though.
‘Straight-up BS’: Democratic chair attacks Bernie Sanders’ election critique
Sanders’ analysis that Democrats lost because they failed working-class voters scorned by party chair Jaime Harrison
And we have exactly the same problem in this country of course with Labour and the void that has created, which has allowed a right-wing narrative to become the predominant one.
@brogdale also makes a good point that many Trump supporters may well be mostly watching and consuming media that constantly places a very different spin on things than liberal-leaning pro-Democrat media (especially if we consider the young male demographic that has supported Trump this time).
Nothing unusual there, we can see how this has played out for years with our own press. Social media certainly polarises and distorts this even further though.
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
well i think that was a big part of it - socail media has enabled the creation of alternative reality of bullshit
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
can never be sure with this fella
breadandcircuse
Well-Known Member
Gavin takes the fight to the Dumpster. I think we see the next Dem presidential candidate.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There will never be a president named gavin so yeh maybe he is the next dem presidential candidate
not a trot
Well-Known Member
Lammy bigging up Trump on BBC news. Strange times.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Lots of kneeling before Zod on the way.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
...as well as the lack of complexity, the right and nationalist right's messaging has also been very nostalic, hearkening back to an earlier and "better" time (regardles of the lived reality of the time). As unrealistic as nostalgia is, it's a powerful tool to motivate people. Not everyone, granted, but a significant number at least. The most recent example is, of course, Trump's "Make America Great Again!" which he ripped off from Reagan's "Let's make America great again" from the '84 campaign. A lot of americans (esp. the white working class) who remember the Reagan era remember (depite the obvious evils of it) that they had secure jobs, that college and healthcare was affordable, that housing didn't cost up to 10x your salary, that it was still just about possible for a skilled member of the working class to support an entire family on one salary. All of that is gone and a lot of the older voters want it back. Anyone who promises that is going to get their vote and people who have grown up in the current era of scarcity and stress also want a bit of that. It's a powerful argument to make. Similarly over here, a lot of the success behind brexit (aside from giving those smug cunts in the coalition govt a kick in the balls) was a hearkening back to the days before the UK fully joined the EU when a 'job for life' meant just that, when higher education was largely free, when rates were affordable, when the price of a house was not fucking eyewatering and when working overtime was properly rewarded to the point where people would ask to work over hours for the significant pay bump (I remember going for many successive night shifts and working bank holidays as a teenager due to the prospect of unsocial hours double and triple-time pay which allowed me to work less overall hours for the same pay as my day-worker coworkers). None of that existed by the time of the brexit vote. Now, i'm not saying that's the sole reason for those votes but it was a powerful draw to that camp.
Maybe, as well as stripping back the unnecessary complexity of the left's message, there can be a similar appeal to nostalgia? After all, a significant amount of the social niceties that those sorts of voters look back on were as a result of left wing/socialist 'lite'/democratic socialist actions and not conservative ones. Maybe using the same kind of lure that the right does to draw people leftwards could work? After all, unlike those chancers from the right, the left actually does "have the receipts" as the Americans put it...
I'm probably wrong and brainfarting in the face of possible oblivion but it might be a start...
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Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
All politics is values and identity which transcend class.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
So, no politics, no context, no economy, no changes in the world, just personal stupidity and selfishness? I understand the anger, but blaming voters as idiots doesn't take you anywhere useful. And for that matter, if the American electorate was 'stupid' in 2024, they were presumably 'smart' in 2008, 2012 and, say 1992? 'Stupidity' does nothing to explain electoral outcomes.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Class is everything.
Humberto
Relax
What class are you?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm 5 pages behind so things have probably moved on, but I don't think people are downplaying racism and a whole section of other views that are there amongst people who turn to populism. But the problem is just leaving them as racists, as something that begins and ends with them personally. People live their lives, they process shit, they interact with the world and with those who hold power over them. Ideas, culture, material things. Not just 'those people', the 'deplorables', that's how we do it as well. And a lot of people have lived their lives through phases of neo-liberalism, generating shit experiences, fear, anxiety and precariousness. And it's that that generates the racism and all the nasty shit. It's also that that leaves people feeling screwed economically and in terms of their future prospects and those of their kids. A perfect mix for filth like Trump to exploit.
I get the anger, the desire to call them stupid fucks. But that doesn't help the Democrats learn the lessons that Bernie Sanders has been telling them. It doesn't help build any kind of resistance centred on working class politics and interests. It doesn't do anything to root out the actual causes of racism for that matter.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The only people who think that have none.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
hmm if he give this guy a position who know what this worm infested brain will tell him to do
While I disagree with most of what he's saying here, he's not wrong that the FDA is corrupt. That agency was subject to corporate capture in probably the 80s. There's a lot of permeability between big pharma and the FDA so they tend to go with whatever the pharmaceutical reps want. This has meant that smaller companies get forced out because they can't meet the regulations that have been set for them cost effectively. The bigger businesses can meet them (because they wrote them for that very purpose). This leads to much higher costs for the consumer, with less reliability, while forcing out any competition. For the average person that means that they have no valid source of information or reliable regulatory oversight, so they're left confused. It's no wonder people just reject the system and reach out for weird "solutions" to their health issues. I know I've wandered around a health food store in search of relief more than once, when the medical system failed to help or was too costly. Many people around here even resort to veterinary pharmaceutical supply stores.
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
That probably sounded better in your head.
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