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Any experts have any opinion on crypto under Trump? The believers seem to think it’s great news, hence the price has rocketed again.
 
Any experts have any opinion on crypto under Trump? The believers seem to think it’s great news, hence the price has rocketed again.
Crypto is always going to be good for capitalists, they can move money around without less fees, less commission…… and make money effectively disappear.

Santander were even developing their own internal cryptocurrency to move money around at one point, whether they still are I don’t know
 
US Republican Senator for Wyoming. this seems like the new angle for the BTC crew - "A strategic Bitcoin reserve for the USA". i.e. the Govt buying lots of bitcoin so the line goes up. nice scam.

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US Republican Senator for Wyoming. this seems like the new angle for the BTC crew - "A strategic Bitcoin reserve for the USA". i.e. the Govt buying lots of bitcoin so the line goes up. nice scam.

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There's a fixed quantity of bitcoin in the system right? :hmm: so if the us goverment buys a large chunk of them isn't that undermining all the "it's free from governent control" stuff the bitcoin bros seem to care about so much? :hmm: (mind you they make all this shit up as they go along anyway)
 
well, they are just owners and have no direct ability to control the price the way it can with the dollar. would be the logic.
I think all the bitcoin bros care about is 'line goes up' and having the govt care about this too, by being invested in its future, would only be a good thing.
 
There's a fixed quantity of bitcoin in the system right? :hmm: so if the us goverment buys a large chunk of them isn't that undermining all the "it's free from governent control" stuff the bitcoin bros seem to care about so much? :hmm: (mind you they make all this shit up as they go along anyway)
Yep, just shows all those crypto idiots who like to cry about fiat currency and freedom are really just bullshit artists looking for free money...
 
There's a fixed quantity of bitcoin in the system right? :hmm: so if the us goverment buys a large chunk of them isn't that undermining all the "it's free from governent control" stuff the bitcoin bros seem to care about so much? :hmm: (mind you they make all this shit up as they go along anyway)
Owning bitcoins doesn't control the network.
Hash power controls the network.

well, they are just owners and have no direct ability to control the price the way it can with the dollar. would be the logic.
I think all the bitcoin bros care about is 'line goes up' and having the govt care about this too, by being invested in its future, would only be a good thing.
Large owners (such as nation states) do have the ability to influence the dollar price (selling a chunk at once is likely to lead to a crash), but no ability to control the supply, like they do with the dollar.

Bitcoiners care about the amount of bitcoin they have: line go up is psychologically reassuring, but its always tempered with the desire for line go down so that they can afford more, as most bitcoiners income is still in fiat currency. Bitcoin traders care about the volatility of bitcoin so that they can grow their stack by buying more bitcoin than they sold. It is no-coiners who seem to care most about number go up in my experience.
 
Hmm. Don’t agree. Most people are just in it to make money and likely not adding to their holding particularly regularly. The amount you have is only relevant if the value is going up.
 
Hmm. Don’t agree. Most people are just in it to make money and likely not adding to their holding particularly regularly. The amount you have is only relevant if the value is going up.
There are certainly speculators that are trying to use bitcoin to get (fiat) rich, but these people are not bitcoiners. They usually come in later in the cycle when the hype is nearing its peak, get burnt in the crash, sell at a loss, then either declare bitcoin a scam (until the next cycle), or start to read up on what bitcoin actually is, and become bitcoiners.

Bitcoiners are actively trying to grow their holdings. The simplest method is DCA and hold - buy small amounts regularly and dont sell. Alternatively some try to time the peak then buy back after the crash. The nominal fiat price is fairly irrelevant, what is important is the point in the cycle, sell at the top, keep hold of the cash, buy back more at the bottom...or at least thats the theory. In reality, its a hard psychological strategy for a bitcoiner.

The value of a bitcoin never changes - it is always 1/21m of the total supply - bitcoiners are trying to grow their ratio of that total supply.
 
There are certainly speculators that are trying to use bitcoin to get (fiat) rich, but these people are not bitcoiners. They usually come in later in the cycle when the hype is nearing its peak, get burnt in the crash, sell at a loss, then either declare bitcoin a scam (until the next cycle), or start to read up on what bitcoin actually is, and become bitcoiners.

Bitcoiners are actively trying to grow their holdings. The simplest method is DCA and hold - buy small amounts regularly and dont sell. Alternatively some try to time the peak then buy back after the crash. The nominal fiat price is fairly irrelevant, what is important is the point in the cycle, sell at the top, keep hold of the cash, buy back more at the bottom...or at least thats the theory. In reality, its a hard psychological strategy for a bitcoiner.

The value of a bitcoin never changes - it is always 1/21m of the total supply - bitcoiners are trying to grow their ratio of that total supply.
'Bitcoiners' are in it to make money. No other reason. Some will try to pretend otherwise, but hey ho.
 
What's the use of money that you don't spend?
In a fiat economy, very little, as inflation will erode its value over time, eventually rendering it worthless.
However in a bitcoin economy, it grows in purchasing power over time, firstly through the transition from fiat to btc, which acts as a sink, then post hyperbitcoinization through deflation as eventually more btc is lost every year than is mined.
'Bitcoiners' are in it to make money. No other reason. Some will try to pretend otherwise, but hey ho.
If by "make money" you mean "increase personal purchasing power" then you are right, that is a primary aim of a lot of bitcoiners. But the qualities of bitcoin: permissionless, borderless, immutable, decentralised and censorship-resistant, makes it "better money", even if its purchasing power never increased.

But bitcoin is so much more than just "money", which is what bitcoiners eventually come to realise.
 
There's a music chap I follow for music reasons who suddenly started posting loads of stuff about making money from bitcoin. It's interesting to say the least. He does seem to have a chunk of cash but no idea what he's put in to get it. Possibly just good timing?

Anyway the way he is bleating on about it sounds like he's started in a new drug or something. Really odd and seemingly out of the blue/out of character.

I think a guy I used to work with made a reasonable chunk too and bought a range rover. I can't help thinking there's better things to spend your fortune on than cars :confused:
 
A reminder, kids, that deflation is an absolute death knell for a society. Once you’re in a deflation cycle, you’re properly fucked.

Thank fuck cryptocurrency isn't actually currency, then. The fact that no country has been foolish enough to actually adopt any of them as a means of exchange means they've dodged a serious bullet.
 
There's a music chap I follow for music reasons who suddenly started posting loads of stuff about making money from bitcoin. It's interesting to say the least. He does seem to have a chunk of cash but no idea what he's put in to get it. Possibly just good timing?

Anyway the way he is bleating on about it sounds like he's started in a new drug or something. Really odd and seemingly out of the blue/out of character.

I think a guy I used to work with made a reasonable chunk too and bought a range rover. I can't help thinking there's better things to spend your fortune on than cars :confused:
Has his account been hacked?
 
Haha I did message them actually something to that effect. I don't think I know their posting style well enough to check but it does seem out of character. It must be that, right??
Yeah, I mean I haven't seen it. But it usually is.
 
Thank fuck cryptocurrency isn't actually currency, then. The fact that no country has been foolish enough to actually adopt any of them as a means of exchange means they've dodged a serious bullet.
El Salvador has.

 
Newport Tip bloke still trying!
You binned it dude :facepalm:
Mr Howells previously offered the council 25% of the value of the coins to be used on local community projects, but said he had now reduced his offer to 10%.

Last month, he announced that he was suing Newport City Council for £495,314,800 in damages.

“They [the council] are currently, in my opinion, withholding my property without my consent and they’re not allowing me to search for it,” he said.

“The last time we put an offer to them to meet, it was worth £500m, a few weeks ago, and they refused that."

Man says his binned Bitcoin fortune now worth £500m​

Mr Howells speculated that, by next year, the Bitcoin on his hard drive could be worth £1bn.

The landfill itself holds over 1.4 m tonnes of waste, but Mr Howells said he had narrowed the hard drive’s location to an area consisting of 100,000 tonnes.

“There is an object in Newport worth almost $750m (£593m) and Newport council don’t want to look for it,” said Mr Howells.

“I am still willing to avert court action and have a sensible and amicable conversation with Newport City Council, but there has to be no messing around. They have to come and speak to me.”

A Newport City Council spokesperson said: “Mr. Howells has brought a civil claim against the council for a sum in the region of £0.5bn.

"The claim has no merit, and the council is vigorously resisting it.”

 
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