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XL Bully dog - discussion

maomao said:
They're rather intimidating dogs even when they're not ripping small children to pieces. A woman who lives near us has one, was exercising it off the lead and publically berated my wife for 'teaching kids to be scared of dogs' when she took the long way round with the kids to avoid it. I've been bitten by dogs twice, am nervous around them and reckon my right to walk the streets unintimidated trumps others' right to walk around with 70 kilos of barely contained muscle and teeth. I'd be happy to see a ban and am unconcerned about the niceties of proving breeds. Err on the side of caution, not only will it prevent deaths it will hopefully make the kind of intimidating bullies that owe these things a little less capable of intimidation.
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Forget genetic testing and go by phenotype. Pit bulls were banned before genetic testing existed. tbh we all know what these things look like. We don't need a genetic test. And I agree with you that in edge cases (there will always be edge cases) you err on the side of caution. If you're only insisting on neutering rather than killing, it's not such a big deal anyway.
 
newme said:
Definitely, just make sure they were the one responsible first! Seen dogs in rescue places with them so could actually be someone who had nothing to do with it. Neighbour got a dog with a cropped tail this way and had a few people kick off at them about it when they had nothing to do with it.
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It came up re star trek: Picard iirc... Picard's dog has cropped ears. The actual reason being Patrick Stewart likes rescue dogs.

Nice stories aside, I can't really see any issue with creating a register of dogs. All of them. Then you could probably create some presumptive tests to do with recognised characteristics. Any dog that meets them must be neutered, chipped and requires some additional license. I mean any even vaguely responsible dog owner is going to be registered with a vet either way... Just a question of linking that with certain legal requirements.
 
Cid said:
It came up re star trek: Picard iirc... Picard's dog has cropped ears. The actual reason being Patrick Stewart likes rescue dogs.

Nice stories aside, I can't really see any issue with creating a register of dogs. All of them. Then you could probably create some presumptive tests to do with recognised characteristics. Any dog that meets them must be neutered, chipped and requires some additional license. I mean any even vaguely responsible dog owner is going to be registered with a vet either way... Just a question of linking that with certain legal requirements.
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I think it's a good idea in principle but it does have some problems. A lot of homeless people have dogs. In the scheme of things, the dogs of homeless people often have pretty decent lives. Outside in the fresh air, company of their owner all day. And their owners clearly value them, but they're not likely to be able or willing to register their mutts. Do they have them removed?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I think it's a good idea in principle but it does have some problems. A lot of homeless people have dogs. In the scheme of things, the dogs of homeless people often have pretty decent lives. Outside in the fresh air, company of their owner all day. And their owners clearly value them but they're not likely to be able or willing to register their mutts. Do they have them removed?
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Yeah, that did occur to me. I think you could probably carve out a 'companion dog' exemption.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I think it's a good idea in principle but it does have some problems. A lot of homeless people have dogs. In the scheme of things, the dogs of homeless people often have pretty decent lives. Outside in the fresh air, company of their owner all day. And their owners clearly value them, but they're not likely to be able or willing to register their mutts. Do they have them removed?
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What exactly does happen when the dog gets sick? Did work with a homeless charity but I don't remember us offering any dog related stuff.
 
platinumsage said:
Let's see what the RSPCA say against breed-specific legislation.

Why Breed Specific Legislation continues to fail dogs and people - RSPCA

BSL has killed thousands of dogs over 30 years because of how they look. This has to stop.
www.rspca.org.uk www.rspca.org.uk

  • BSL has killed thousands of dogs over 30 years - great :oldthumbsup:
  • All dogs have the potential to be dangerous - eh, not to the same extent, no :rolleyes:
  • Breed does not predict aggressive behaviour or risk to public safety - wrong :rolleyes:
  • Only 8% of dangerously out of control dog cases involved banned breeds - that's because they're banned, lol :facepalm:
  • A dog can be a 'prohibited type' without sharing any genetics with that breed - so what? if it looks like a duck etc :guy:
  • It's not possible to rehome prohibited dogs to new owners - good!!! :oldthumbsup:
  • The UK Government needs to commit to ending BSL now - why? :confused:
  • Stand up for dogs on death row - no thanks

So yeah, not seeing any compelling arguments there...
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Nice to see someone knows better than the RSPCA. :facepalm:

If only 8% of dangerously out of control dogs are banned breeds that means 92% are legally allowed dogs. :facepalm:
 
platinumsage said:
Let's see what the RSPCA say against breed-specific legislation.

Why Breed Specific Legislation continues to fail dogs and people - RSPCA

BSL has killed thousands of dogs over 30 years because of how they look. This has to stop.
www.rspca.org.uk www.rspca.org.uk

  • BSL has killed thousands of dogs over 30 years - great :oldthumbsup:
  • All dogs have the potential to be dangerous - eh, not to the same extent, no :rolleyes:
  • Breed does not predict aggressive behaviour or risk to public safety - wrong :rolleyes:
  • Only 8% of dangerously out of control dog cases involved banned breeds - that's because they're banned, lol :facepalm:
  • A dog can be a 'prohibited type' without sharing any genetics with that breed - so what? if it looks like a duck etc :guy:
  • It's not possible to rehome prohibited dogs to new owners - good!!! :oldthumbsup:
  • The UK Government needs to commit to ending BSL now - why? :confused:
  • Stand up for dogs on death row - no thanks

So yeah, not seeing any compelling arguments there...
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For someone who calls themselves a sage, your platinum wisdom seriously needs polishing.
 
WouldBe said:
And yet according to the graph posted earlier wolf hybrids are some of the least likely to be dangerous.
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Yes, they get an unwarranted bad press. They are less likely to be neurotic and insecure than fully domestic dogs. But they are undoubtedly a big responsibility to own. As I said, there is a certain prejudice in certain parts against wolves and wolf-like dogs.
 
platinumsage said:
  • A dog can be a 'prohibited type' without sharing any genetics with that breed
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This is true in general terms. XL bully dogs though, cannot be mistaken for anything else. And even if they could, erroneously removing a different kind of 70kg brute from the gene pool would not be the worst possible outcome.

I just can't imagine anyone wanting to own one of these things who wasn't a complete arsehole. Even if yours is harmless, you must know that they're frightening to other people. You must know that they're physically capable of killing people and have done on many occasions. You must know you bought it for a shitload of money from some shady breeder because you specifically wanted that thing that is going to scare the shit out of people.

I'm not usually in favour of prohibition as a solution to anything. But sometimes you can say, anyone who wants to do this thing by definition puts themselves in the category of people who shouldn't be allowed to.
 
Some posters just love theoretical arguments. But if a typical arsehole can identify a Bully XL in order to buy one, it shouldn’t be too difficult for anyone else to identify them in order to eradicate them. Wanting a weapon on a leash seems a sound enough argument to ban anyone from owning such a thing.
 
A wolf hybrid is not a normal dog wolfs aren’t just dogs that decided to go all Ray Mears.
It’s a wolf.
What next Tigers

I’d quite like an automatic grenade launcher but obviously I can’t have one because a machine gun that fires grenades is somewhat hazardous.
I mean if I owned a MoD approved range or either in involved in maritime security or boating holidays on the black sea🙄 then fair enough.
Nobody needs a bully xl it’s a very dangerous pet that has killed people
 
8ball said:
I expect a great many are unregistered and it will be hard to say.
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I'm pretty certain that significantly less than eight percent of dogs in this country are banned breeds. Do you have any evidence at all that it's that high?
 
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