Yuwipi Woman
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And yet you wonder why Trump wants to close them down?
I know. Silly me.
What stupid shit has Trump done today?
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I know. Silly me.
Joe Reilly
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The foreperson simply didn't have an 'opinion.' She was a zealous advocate of the Russian collusion hoax on social media. She also regarded anyone who voted Trump as a 'white supremacist.' We can take it as read she concealed all of this when being vetted. Lied in other words. the case against Stone (who apparently lied to Congress about something that wasn't illegal) ought to have been judged on its merits. That is what the rule of law means. To put such blatant bias to one side is to tacitly argue for an alternative arrangement. Which in turns invokes the 'banana republic' scenario where individuals are fitted up or given egregious sentences based wholly on their political affiliations.
Yuwipi Woman
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Lets assume all that is true, although I reserve the right to dispute it. The way to handle that is to file an appeal. Appeals are successful on a regular basis and verdicts have been thrown out for less. Let the rule of law work itself out. Doing an end run around the judicial system only creates more problems in the long run.
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two sheds
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Where are you getting your information?
pesh
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Fake news.
Joe Reilly
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That would be sufficient if it was a strictly legal argument or restricted to just this one case. However when looked at objectively it forms part of a pattern. The Mueller inquiry was instigated by a phony dossier for example. Congress attempting to take down via impeachment for a second time with the Ukraine nonsense another. Elizabeth Warren demanding the Attorney General be "impeached" (for what exactly?) is part of the same mindset that saw Democrats call for Trump's impeachment over 80 times so far. So it is with Stone - where the prosecutors part of the failed Mueller fiasco - seem determined to go out with a bang in asking for a near 10 year sentence for someone who hadn't really done anything criminal as such - but was guilty in their eyes of being tangentially associated with an administration they oppose.
Yuwipi Woman
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LOL. I'm old enough to remember the Nixon administration. Its a laugh for you to act as if Roger Stone is somehow an innocent bystander.
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petee
no gods, no malarkey
i've got the poster on ignore but i too remember nixon's years and stone's been a criminal for decades.
if you're reading this reilly he was convicted of 7 felonies by trump's own DOJ.
Yuwipi Woman
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Yeah, I'm convinced that Joe Reilly is either a troll, a propagandist, or both.
SpineyNorman
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Knowing a little bit of his political history I'd say none of the above.
That said I'm a little surprised at the line he's taking here and wouldn't mind seeing some of his sources for the claims made above.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
It’s not every day that a degenerate former swinger and serial scumbag who built a career based on a single line of bullshit and self-fellation so constant and vigorous that it is practically a yogic art form stands before the bar of justice, but here we are. Roger Stone is, as he loves to be, in the center of a national political scandal, and with his sentencing approaching in just days, Stone hoped the Trump “Justice” Department would save him from a well-deserved sentence of seven to nine years in prison.
Stone earned the recommended sentence not because he is a Trump ally, but because he threatened witnesses, lied to the court and to the House of Representatives, and got caught. Worst of all, he threatened Judge Amy Berman-Jackson online, defied various gag orders, and engaged in his usual rat-fuckery. He made the mistake of thinking that Judge Berman-Jackson is as gullible as the claque of hangers-on, wanna-be catamites, and scumbag errand boys with whom Stone usually surrounds himself.
www.rollingstone.com
that pretty well clears that up.
Stone earned the recommended sentence not because he is a Trump ally, but because he threatened witnesses, lied to the court and to the House of Representatives, and got caught. Worst of all, he threatened Judge Amy Berman-Jackson online, defied various gag orders, and engaged in his usual rat-fuckery. He made the mistake of thinking that Judge Berman-Jackson is as gullible as the claque of hangers-on, wanna-be catamites, and scumbag errand boys with whom Stone usually surrounds himself.
Roger Stone Knows Trump's Secrets. That's Why He'll Avoid Prison
Attorney General Bill Barr is doing his best Deputy Dog routine for the president, but the fate of Trump's underlings is inescapable
www.rollingstone.com
that pretty well clears that up.
Joe Reilly
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It’s not every day that a degenerate former swinger and serial scumbag who built a career based on a single line of bullshit and self-fellation so constant and vigorous that it is practically a yogic art form stands before the bar of justice, but here we are. Roger Stone is, as he loves to be, in the center of a national political scandal, and with his sentencing approaching in just days, Stone hoped the Trump “Justice” Department would save him from a well-deserved sentence of seven to nine years in prison.
Stone earned the recommended sentence not because he is a Trump ally, but because he threatened witnesses, lied to the court and to the House of Representatives, and got caught. Worst of all, he threatened Judge Amy Berman-Jackson online, defied various gag orders, and engaged in his usual rat-fuckery. He made the mistake of thinking that Judge Berman-Jackson is as gullible as the claque of hangers-on, wanna-be catamites, and scumbag errand boys with whom Stone usually surrounds himself.
Roger Stone Knows Trump's Secrets. That's Why He'll Avoid Prison
Attorney General Bill Barr is doing his best Deputy Dog routine for the president, but the fate of Trump's underlings is inescapable
that pretty well clears that up.
One of the hallmarks of a democratic society is that you'd don't get the best part of a ten year sentence for a first offence for being a bit of a dick.
This is Trump related so guess it belongs on this thread.
Jussie Smollett the racist and homophobic hoaxer has recently been indicted on new charges.
This is the idiot who staged an alleged attack by fake Trump supporters claiming they beat him up and put a noose around his neck telling him he was in MAGA country now
eu.usatoday.com
Jussie Smollett the racist and homophobic hoaxer has recently been indicted on new charges.
This is the idiot who staged an alleged attack by fake Trump supporters claiming they beat him up and put a noose around his neck telling him he was in MAGA country now
Jussie Smollett indicted on new charges over alleged Chicago attack; attorney responds
Jussie Smollett has been indicted by a Chicago special prosecutor in connection with an alleged hate crime he says he suffered last year.
eu.usatoday.com
Do you think Trump will win in 2020 with as big a landslide as Nixon did in 1972?
Comparisons between Bernie Sanders (currently touted as the Dem front runner) could be the equivalent of George McGovern.
spring-peeper
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sigh
www.politico.com
www.cnn.com
Trump accused of another quid pro quo, this time with New York
"He's holding New York state hostage to try to stop investigations into his prior tax fraud," tweeted Rep. Val Demings.
www.politico.com
Top Republican slams Trump's plan to use Pentagon funds for border wall as unconstitutional
The top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee issued a sharp rebuke of President Donald Trump Thursday, slamming the administration's plan to divert $3.83 billion in Pentagon funding to border wall construction as unconstitutional and pledging to take action after lawmakers were...
www.cnn.com
Marty1, I realise that the fake news you post consistently does technically come under the catergory 
Did anyone mention that Trump deployed a new nuclear weapon last September?
www.defensenews.com
First since the cold war.
stupid stuff that Trump has done today but I still feel you misunderstand the basic premise of this thread . Your looking for the Great and wonderous deeds of our illustrious global leader thread. Did anyone mention that Trump deployed a new nuclear weapon last September?
Trump’s new nuclear weapon has been deployed
The W76-2 has made its maiden voyage, the Pentagon said Tuesday.
www.defensenews.com
First since the cold war.
....respect, you've got him worried.
two sheds
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Grrr I came on to post that
SpookyFrank
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Lucky for you.
Yuwipi Woman
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This is not Roger Stone's first offence for "being a bit of a dick." He's been a serial dick for decades.
His sentence conforms to the written sentencing guidelines for the offenses he's been found guilty of. There's a minimum set and then aggravating factors are added in on top of that to arrive at the sentencing recommendation. Stone hit all of the aggravating factors. Now you might be able to argue that the sentencing guidelines need to be revamped in the law. Ok. Go change the law. But, you can't make an exception for one person because they're a friend of yours. Especially not when his crimes actually tear directly at the core of a democratic society and that's why they're punished so severely. There's no point having laws if you're going to ignore them when it suits you.
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two sheds
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Joe Reilly
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1. Stone is 67 and has no previous convictions.
2. He lied to Congress about having no contact with Wikipedia in 2016.
3. He then sought to coerce/persuade another a witness, known to him, to back him in the lie.
4. Having contact with Wikipedia is not illegal.
5. The witness offered evidence in court that he did not take any of the so-called threats seriously.
6. Stone was investigated as part of the Mueller inquiry into Russia collusion.
7. The starting gun for the conspiracy was the infamous Steele dossier now widely accepted to be bogus.
8. Off the back of which a cohort of the FBI and other agency actors are alleged to have conducted a whole series of illegal and unconstitutional measures (investigation on going).
9. The attempted Ukraine impeachment farce began the day after the Mueller conspiracy collapsed.
10. Stone's prosecutors were part of the Mueller team.
11. The demand for a sentencing of up to 9 years in jail came just a week after Trump was acquitted.
In short the Mueller inquiry was politically inspired. The Ukraine impeachment trial which began the day after, was entirely political in that the Democrats were unable to say from start to finish what law had been broken. Stone was charged with being part of cover up of Trump's collusion with Russia for which there was never any actual evidence. So in asking for the absolute maximum jail time it is clear that in the eyes of the prosecutors, and those that support them, Stone is basically a proxy for Trump.
Stone is being made to pay the price for the failure to nail Trump. Stone is small fry. So the argument that it is he who is tearing at the 'fabric of democratic society' is simply laughable. In terms of dragging democracy into disrepute it is those on the opposing side who have done all the heavy lifting.
tim
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Facts like those won’t educate the Trump obsessives on here - anything connected to him is bad
Yuwipi Woman
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All of that is irrelevant to the question of his guilt in this case. The Republicans started an investigation about Bill Clinton getting a BJ in the oval office. It was all politically motivated. The thing that got him impeached was in not being completely up front about the facts. He was fined and disbarred, but not removed from office.
In this case, Stone went even further into illegal territory and tampered with witnesses and threatened a judge.
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