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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

the americans have a decisive influence on the outcome of the war by choosing the extent to which they provide material and intangible support
This has always been true, and the source of initiative in the war hasn't moved at all, in fact Putin is in a stronger diplomatic position now than he was before the start of the Ukraine counter-offensive. He could end it on his terms at any time by offering some minor face-saving measure to Washington, but he knows quite well if he holds off and Trump wins he can get considerably more.
 
This is the bit which Topcat and others mistake as the US "leading the conflict" despite the invasion being ordered by Putin, continued by Russia for two years with zero suggestion of a compromise position being available, presaged by multiple other mass-murdering invasions etc. The US didn't make the conflict happen, nor did it make the Ukrainians continue resisting, it gave them the means to do so because it figured that'd tie up and heavily cost a rival (two, actually, the EU being the other).

And now it's bogged down with the costs set to escalate beyond what the US deems worthwhile its diplomatic corps is feeling out the possibilities for swinging into line with Topcat's position of ignoring what the Ukrainians want, the implications there for a Russian victory, etc etc. Except once again, even now, Putin (the man who has apparently little to no responsibility for any of this "proxy US conflict") doesn't appear to be playing ball.
You start with a falsehood. I have never asserted the US lead the conflict.
 
so it's now ok if TopCat shares private messages, which is how i imagine some of these messages have been conveyed?
I imagine it's always been the case that threatening or abusive PMs aren't subject to the same restrictions. And surely there's a difference between forwarding such messages to a mod and posting them in the fora?

I do think it is reasonable that, if anyone on here has received death threats, it's perfectly acceptable for them to share them with the mods.

Where TopCat is concerned, though, I suspect that the nearest he's had to a "death threat" has been someone who's lost their shit at his irritating and disruptive posting style and told him to fuck off. Whereupon he's gone full pearl-clutcher and had a fit of the vapours about it. Which is presumably easier than him actually engaging in debate, which he really doesn't do. And yes, very few engage in debate WITH him, but that's on him, and his history of posts on threads like these.
 
What, the poor beleaguered British empire who only had the United States and Soviet Union standing alongside them?
TBF, the US was barely involved by 1942, and the USSR was busily dealing with its own interests. The UK and its allies were definitely doing very, very badly indeed at the beginning of 1942, to the point that it would have looked at the time like Germany might prevail.
 
Yea, that's just one bad faith troll.
No it isn't. The position that the US is basically running things has been common on this thread, and lines like this:
The US supplies the weapons to, on one hand the aggressor and on the other the attacked. Without the weapons neither conflict could be prosecuted in the way they have been.

The US are in fact front left and centre to both conflicts.
are easily seen as being in that camp. If a US leadership role was not what is being implied there then fine.
 
Who was the silly sod who posted that myself and my family deserved to be killed?
It’s on this thread. The poster got banned.
Help the Editor with his question.
While suggesting that someone "deserves to be killed" is a deeply unpleasant thing to say to anyone, it's not exactly a death threat, is it?

I'd post an example of the sort of thing I'd take to be a death threat, only knowing you, you'd take it out of context and be bleating all over Urban for the next however long that I'd made a death threat against you. So I won't.
 
If I wanted to say the US leads the conflict I would have done so.
That looks very much as though you are saying so, in fact I'm not sure how else you'd expect someone to take "The US are in fact front left and centre," but as I said, if it's not then fine. Do you think it's Zelensky then?
 
Your analysis seems to have been taken from a Bond movie. A big baddie. The forces of good lined up against them.
Can you point out which part of this statement is untrue, please?

"If only Russia hadn't staged an illegal invasion and gone on to commit untold amounts of war crimes, people on both sides would be enjoying Christmas as usual."
 
While suggesting that someone "deserves to be killed" is a deeply unpleasant thing to say to anyone, it's not exactly a death threat, is it?

I'd post an example of the sort of thing I'd take to be a death threat, only knowing you, you'd take it out of context and be bleating all over Urban for the next however long that I'd made a death threat against you. So I won't.
It's a thinly veiled threat. Imho.

Whether you agree with TopCat or not.

And on several things, I don't agree with him.

Wishing ill or death on other posters is unpleasant.

(Unless they're racist trolls who occasionally pop up to aggravate the community here - see countless banned accounts)
 
Who was the silly sod who posted that myself and my family deserved to be killed?
It’s on this thread. The poster got banned.
Help the Editor with his question.
So the person was banned almost immediately. Which is how it should be.
But you said death 'threats.' Where are the others?
 
It's a thinly veiled threat. Imho.

Whether you agree with TopCat or not.

And on several things, I don't agree with him.

Wishing ill or death on other posters is unpleasant.

(Unless they're racist trolls who occasionally pop up to aggravate the community here - see countless banned accounts)
Maybe I'm creating an artificial distinction here, but I do see a very clear distinction between saying unpleasant, nasty things to someone and actually putting them in fear of their life. A death threat is, IMO, a very serious - arguably criminal - matter. That is not to diminish other activities, but the risk here is that if claims like TopCat's aren't challenged, before long he'll be considering mere disagreement with him as some kind of existential threat. If he doesn't already.
 
That looks very much as though you are saying so, in fact I'm not sure how else you'd expect someone to take "The US are in fact front left and centre," but as I said, if it's not then fine. Do you think it's Zelensky then?
The US are front left and centre as they are spending billions on arms. They don’t lead the conflict though.
 
They were banned though? I'm not sure what the complaint is if so, as no-one currently engaged with this conversation has done so afaik?
Was I complaining? Your confusing Editors self riotous interrogations with me directing a question to Ukraine/NATO supporters albeit in a slightly insulting manner.
 
How carefully put. Do you think he has the power to unilaterally end the war?
I doubt it. For a start it’s against the law to enter negotiations. Plus he is so wedded to his delusions of victory, and the human price has been so high, that I think the decision or move to end it will come in spite of him. Maybe be his end.
 
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