ska invita
back on the other side
If the border with Russian occupied territories is formalised Ukraine will join the EU and NATO and Putin would not then "have another go"
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Until the Germans thought about it and introduced shock troops.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Will take this with a large grain of salt, as the WaPo has been pinning the pipeline bombing on various entities every few months. That said, it's quite credible compared to "US marines blew it up".
"Unnamed sources"
Will hurt relations with Germany if it's proven, but the Americans couldn't care less I'm sure.
"Unnamed sources"
Will hurt relations with Germany if it's proven, but the Americans couldn't care less I'm sure.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
At this stage, what are other plausible endings? Following the reasoning above, even if they beat them right back to the border, what happens next?
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
So why the fuck did it invade then Mr Fucking Geopolitical Expert ?
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
Russia isn’t asking for a ceasefire for the same it would only benefit the West allowing them to build up and train their forces and have another go
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Brexit.
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
There’s no way Ukraine are getting into NATO and I think the EU are making a promise they don’t intend to keep
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
Wasn’t Yushchenko talking about joining the EU and NATO in 2005 and then in 2008 NATO made a promise that one day Ukraine would join the Alliance ? And then Vladimir Putin came along
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia
Putin openly questions the legitimacy of Ukraine's contemporary borders.[9] According to Putin, the modern-day Ukraine occupies historically Russian lands,[9] and is an "anti-Russia project" created by external forces since the seventeenth century, and of administrative and political decisions made during the Soviet Union.[5] He also discusses the Russo-Ukrainian War, maintaining that "Kiev simply does not need Donbas".[10]
Putin places blame for the current crisis on foreign plots and anti-Russian conspiracies.[9] According to Putin, the decisions of the Ukrainian government are driven by a Western plot against Russia as well as by "followers of Bandera".[11]
Putin ends the lengthy essay by asserting Russia's role in modern Ukrainian affairs.[9]
And with that I am done with you and will file you alongside the other posters not worth engaging with on this subject.
They’re not even pretending it was NATO.
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RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
The Russian state needs to be stopped from expanding. Thats a start.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Putin openly questions the legitimacy of Ukraine's contemporary borders.[9] According to Putin, the modern-day Ukraine occupies historically Russian lands,[9] and is an "anti-Russia project" created by external forces since the seventeenth century, and of administrative and political decisions made during the Soviet Union.[5] He also discusses the Russo-Ukrainian War, maintaining that "Kiev simply does not need Donbas".[10]
Putin places blame for the current crisis on foreign plots and anti-Russian conspiracies.[9] According to Putin, the decisions of the Ukrainian government are driven by a Western plot against Russia as well as by "followers of Bandera".[11]
Putin ends the lengthy essay by asserting Russia's role in modern Ukrainian affairs.[9]
And with that I am done with you and will file you alongside the other posters not worth engaging with on this subject.
They’re not even pretending it was NATO.
When Russian media and its president says “I want to wipe Ukrainian culture and it’s citizens from the map (if they don’t convert to Russia citizenship) who is to say what they really mean behind the subterfuge - must be because NATO did it
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The EU won't break their promise but the impact and consequences of Ukraine joining are going to require a lot of management .
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
You’re not kidding, By the time this Wars over Ukraine’s going to look like Somalia with cold weather and white people
What was his post to do with feelings?
The definition of proxy war is "a war instigated by a major power which does not itself become involved." The war was instigated by Russia which is directly involved. That the US and Europe support Ukraine does not make it a proxy war and even if you play semantic games to define it as so, it was not chosen by the US so to say "the proxy war failed" because Ukraine has not defeated the invasion is absolute bullshit. The US certainly didn't want this war for one thing, and secondly, European countries actually spend more than twice as much supporting Ukraine than the US does now.
Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large
Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...
www.ifw-kiel.de
I know your fucking game. Your every post here is about geopolitics from a perspective of opposing America yet you have not a single thing to say about left wing politics in general. You're a Putinbot or Wumao.
And let me tell you this - Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a threat to Europe, not the US, people in Europe aren't against it just because the US told them to be however much you want it to be true.
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Protag
Fan of think
Throwing a hissy fit generally does not persuade.What was his post to do with feelings?
The definition of proxy war is "a war instigated by a major power which does not itself become involved." The war was instigated by Russia which is directly involved. That the US and Europe support Ukraine does not make it a proxy war and even if you play semantic games to define it as so, it was not chosen by the US so to say "the proxy war failed" because Ukraine has not defeated the invasion is absolute bullshit. The US certainly didn't want this war for one thing, and secondly, European countries actually spend more than twice as much supporting Ukraine than the US does now.
Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large
Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...
I know your fucking game. Your every post here is about geopolitics from a perspective of opposing America yet you have not a single thing to say about left wing politics in general. You're a Putinbot or Wumao.
And let me tell you this - Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a threat to Europe, not the US, people in Europe aren't against it just because the US told them to be however much you want it to be true.
The main problem with the whole Russia issue is that it is virtually impossible to discuss, as the liberals seem to march in a parade over the issue, and others following in line.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
He says on page 920
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
"the liberals"
“The issue”? What is “The issue”? Are you referring to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, including mass-murder, the capture and forced movement of children and rape as a weapon of war? I mean, I guess those are “issues” that people tend to care about, yes.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
"the liberals"
For fucks sake what have we done now? I can’t be arsed to read that posters endless crayoning to find out…
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It wouldn't be very informative if you did.
TBF, I think we're more at the level of finger painting than crayoning, here.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
If we don't call Zelensky a charlatan propped up by a decaying West every sentence we're wet liberals who have we
USA tatsWe're not following The Evidence enough to really judge the conflict impartially.
You haven't attempted to discuss anything. You just post stupid opinions (typically based on right wing realist geopolitical theory) and then act evasive when challenged like you're doing here.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
When people come to look again at this thread they'll say this is where you failed the Turing test
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This one would fail a Rorsach test.
Nikkormat
Well-Known Member
The latest edition of the Financial Times' Rachman Review podcast is excellent: Is the balance tilting towards Russia in Ukraine?
Mistakes made by Ukraine, lack of production by the West, need for a long term plan, Russia's shift to a war economy and ability to maintain the conflict, and prospects for negotiation. Not an optimistic picture, but not lost, as far as the commentator thinks.
Mistakes made by Ukraine, lack of production by the West, need for a long term plan, Russia's shift to a war economy and ability to maintain the conflict, and prospects for negotiation. Not an optimistic picture, but not lost, as far as the commentator thinks.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Not read the article yet, but from you post It sounds like there may be some truth to it.
But we need to remember relative to what? Relative to predictions of a successful Ukrainian offensive? That was wildly optimistic anyway in my opinion.
Or Relative to when the war started? Because based on expectations at the time things are going pretty good for Ukraine. In a purley military sense at least.
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hiraethified
Sorry, but who and where are 'the liberals' you refer to? All over this site? The UK? Please explain,
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