Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Pickman's model]

I mean who is articulating Ukraine US strategy and what is it? Zelensky is just repeating himself in a way that suggests detachment.

He's pissed off the Americans didn't send him a carrier group or even a guided missile carrying submarine

 

[teuchter]

if he'd just show thinking he'd do better

But what do you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

But what do you think?

I think you're rather less clever than you think you are

Still waiting on your bedroom graphs

 

[oryx]

So do the Ukraine supporting posters here think it’s time to have a ceasefire, negotiate a settlement or time to press on?

I can't really answer that. While options 1 and 2 would obviously be best, neither side would accept them AFAIK.

What I do want, though, is for the establishment here (government, opposition, media etc.) to stop being absolute hypocrites with regard to Ukraine and Palestine.

 

[TopCat]

He's pissed off the Americans didn't send him a carrier group or even a guided missile carrying submarine

The article in the Washington Post The39thStep posted a link to painted a discouraging picture of Zelensky. Isolated. Deluded. Messianic was a term an aide of his was quoted as saying.

The same article said the average age of the Ukrainian army was now 43 with press gang recruitment continuing.

Lobbing stuff at the Russians won’t achieve the Ukrainians stated victory or bust strategy.

Where does it go now?

 

[Pickman's model]

The article in the Washington Post The39thStep posted a link to painted a discouraging picture of Zelensky. Isolated. Deluded. Messianic was a term an aide of his was quoted as saying.

The same article said the average age of the Ukrainian army was now 43 with press gang recruitment continuing.

Lobbing stuff at the Russians won’t achieve the Ukrainians stated victory or bust strategy.

Where does it go now?

Now it'll start getting bad

 

[teuchter]

I think you're rather less clever than you think you are

Still waiting on your bedroom graphs

While we know that you consider everyone insufficiently clever for your liking, we don't seem to hear what your thoughts are, on things like the question TopCat asked.

 

[tim]

It's time to surge support readying for the post winter campaign. We cannot allow Ukraine to lose this war.

Who are "we"? I doubt that you I or Topcat could swing the result for one side or the other. Personally, I can't see that either side has any chance of victory in the their own terms.

 

[sleaterkinney]

So do the Ukraine supporting posters here think it’s time to have a ceasefire, negotiate a settlement or time to press on?

How much land do you think they should give up?

 

[existentialist]

So do the Ukraine supporting posters here think it’s time to have a ceasefire, negotiate a settlement or time to press on?

Yes.

 

[Pickman's model]

While we know that you consider everyone insufficiently clever for your liking, we don't seem to hear what your thoughts are, on things like the question TopCat asked.

There are loads of really clever people here. You're just not one of them.

 

[TopCat]

How much land do you think they should give up?

No idea.

 

[two sheds]

There are loads of really clever people here. You're just not one of them.

He's very good on insulation.

 

[TopCat]

How much land do you think they should give up?

How many more dead and wounded for no tangible success?

 

[existentialist]

There are loads of really clever people here. You're just not one of them.

I think he's clever. It's just somewhat misplaced cleverness.

 

[teuchter]

There are loads of really clever people here. You're just not one of them.

Yes. But what do you think?

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. But what do you think?

That only really works when people haven't offered an opinion on a link or video they share.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes. But what do you think?

I think it's three weeks since you mentioned Russia or Ukraine on this thread. You're too interested in trying to score points to post on topic

 

[The39thStep]

No idea.

The Polish bits?

 

[jeff_leigh]

How much land do you think they should give up?

Russia would probably be satisfied with the Territory they already control plus Odessa

 

[existentialist]

Russia would probably be satisfied with the Territory they already control plus Odessa

I can't see Ukraine (or its supporters) standing for that.

 

[jeff_leigh]

I can't see Ukraine (or its supporters) standing for that.

Me neither

 

[dilute micro]

Your graph didn't predict this Ukraine reports most extensive Russian shelling of the year

That's because it's not a prediction, Einstein. North Korean shells were delivered, no doubt.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's because it's not a prediction, Einstein. North Korean shells were delivered, no doubt.

You're quite right, as teuchter pointed out it claimed to represent information that hadn't yet occurred

 

[TopCat]

I can't see Ukraine (or its supporters) standing for that.

So you think the Ukrainians should keep fighting? How will they replace the killed and injured soldiers?

 

[Pickman's model]

So you think the Ukrainians should keep fighting? How will they replace the killed and injured soldiers?

The dead are being offered incentives to take up arms

 

[existentialist]

So you think the Ukrainians should keep fighting? How will they replace the killed and injured soldiers?

Let's put it like this. If Russia prevails in Ukraine, one of the first things they are going to do is go through the place purging, torturing, and murdering everyone who fought (or they think fought) on the Ukraine side - and that will be the least of it. They lose all their people of fighting age if they lose, so they might as well go down fighting, regardless.

 

[Yossarian]

So you think the Ukrainians should keep fighting? How will they replace the killed and injured soldiers?

When would you suggest the Palestinians accept the loss of their territory and stop fighting?

 

[Chilli.s]

I wonder how the economic sanctions on Russia are going?

 

[tim]

So you think the Ukrainians should keep fighting? How will they replace the killed and injured soldiers?

Both sides face that issue. It'll grind to a stalemate when one side or the other runs out of cannon fodder. The Russians have a larger population but a higher resistance to fighting.