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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

i think i misunderstood your post then
i understood it as have to beat russia so they dont do it again
More like the worse the maths is this time the harder it'll be for hawks to sell adventures in future, which matters in a situation where bullying/salami slicing land off neighbours has been a habitual part of Russian foreign policy for decades. War happens eventually, but you can stall it, and sometimes swerve it.
 
I do agree that any putative threat of serious war with Western Europe is in effect over for the near to medium future, however I wonder if the loss of senior staff is actually as catastrophic as is sometimes painted. Famously analysis of the Russian Army's weakness has highlighted its corruption, second-string status in the institutional hierarchy and tendency to be more moth than trousers in terms of battle readiness. But neither the Kremlin as a whole nor Putin as an individual are totally unable to draw their own conclusions from that, and start replacing makeweight bureaucrats with more effective soldiers in future. I'd not be nearly as sanguine about the future of a re-arming Russia fresh from a major victory, if I was in a nearby non-Nato, mineral-rich country, for example.
Tbh I think you're very optimistic about Russian opportunities for rearmament, given the way they're cut off from getting their hands on the really good microchips. After Vietnam it was a long long time before the US military did anything major and the Russian army will take at least as long to ready itself for a future war, especially as they weren't ready for the war they're in. The upper echelons of the army will change after so many senior officers were killed but the main question is if they trust junior officers to have latitude in carrying on their orders or if the orders must be carried out to the letter and micromanaged.

But before Russia can pose any threat to another country imo a rather more serious conflict will begin, and it may not go the way the Americans want.
 
I don't remember Ukraine or indeed its allies suggesting it'd be a repeat of last time, in fact pretty much everyone was careful to say it'd be a drawn-out and bloody affair because the Russians were dug in. So a damp squib compared to what?
 
I don't remember Ukraine or indeed its allies suggesting it'd be a repeat of last time, in fact pretty much everyone was careful to say it'd be a drawn-out and bloody affair because the Russians were dug in. So a damp squib compared to what?
Compared to most actions which are described as a military offensive?
 
You think Larry is a stupid man for thinking the Ukrainians spring offensive is a damp squib?
Yes, lacking any kind of intellectual interrogation of the realities of what's actually going on on the front lines, the relative strengths of both forces, and the strategy required to overcome prepared defences.
 
Yes, lacking any kind of intellectual interrogation of the realities of what's actually going on on the front lines, the relative strengths of both forces, and the strategy required to overcome prepared defences.
You mean the tactics to overcome prepared defences. Strategy is the end goal, tactics is how you get there.
 
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Do you want me to name famous offensive actions to compare to? Would that help you?
No, because they're non-comparable circumstances. My point here being that neither you nor Larry have the faintest idea what the evaluated version of "success" was to start with, because you, like the rest of us, have no particular insight into the forces and difficulties involved or what the military thinking was/is, and are talking as though what's happened has amounted to far less than promised, which it hasn't because they promised very little.
 
No, because they're non-comparable circumstances. My point here being that neither you nor Larry have the faintest idea what the evaluated version of "success" was to start with, because you, like the rest of us, have no particular insight into the forces and difficulties involved or what the military thinking was/is, and are talking as though what's happened has amounted to far less than promised, which it hasn't because they promised very little.
And you have all of that?
 
We can see on sattalite the extent of the Russian defences. Gives an idea of the difficulty level especially if many of your troops are conscripts in their sixth decade.
 
No, because they're non-comparable circumstances. My point here being that neither you nor Larry have the faintest idea what the evaluated version of "success" was to start with, because you, like the rest of us, have no particular insight into the forces and difficulties involved or what the military thinking was/is, and are talking as though what's happened has amounted to far less than promised, which it hasn't because they promised very little.
Success=taking territory. The media propaganda produces constant graphics of which territory is controlledbywho. So far, Ukraine seems to have gained virtually zero.

Of course you are welcome to dismiss this information: but given the Western media make a huge thing of any advances, why are they not claiming such now?

And given the whole war has been viewed through a media (propaganda) lens your position is untenable.

And Im sure Russian media is just as bad
 
I've read and understood the analyses of those that do, rather than the 'the offensive is a failure' crowd who seem to be judging it based on pure vibes.

This from Lawrence Freedman is good: Attrition before breakthrough
Interesting read. It goes over most of the available info but interprets it in a pro Ukrainian rather optimistic way. The assertion Russia can only produce 200 tanks a year seemed speculative.
 
I have read a few articles that say that it’s lots of older men (some with prosthetic limbs) fighting in the trenches on the Ukrainian side as all the fit youngsters are being held back for the big push.
 
I have read a few articles that say that it’s lots of older men (some with prosthetic limbs) fighting in the trenches on the Ukrainian side as all the fit youngsters are being held back for the big push.

I've read a few articles that say it's just dead cats and cardboard cutouts of David Hasselhof defending Ukraine.

I won't be sharing any of these articles or addressing the validity of the sources in any way though.
 
Is there any reason why The Cluster Bombs for Peace brigade weren't calling for the USA to send them before Biden's announcement?

Indeed. But the experts are pouring out now. They'll be precision missiles delivered through letterboxes before you know it.

A quick search revealed Russ to be the only person, in March, to even report Ukraine was trying to get them from the US.

Before that you basically go back to the beginning of the war (save one post from Spitfire six months later) to read the rightful horror and condemnation of Russia using them.

But this is different, and it's what people on here knew Ukraine needed all along, these weapons banned in over half the world, they've just been giving themselves chance to become experts. In something.
 
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