Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[kebabking]

Interesting little nibble from the normally reliable ChrisO_wiki on twitter - Civilian Police officers from the 'Breakaway Republic' of Donetsk have been press-ganged into either joining, or becoming, some form of auxiliary military unit in order to resist the Ukrainians...

 

[Idris2002]

Interesting little nibble from the normally reliable ChrisO_wiki on twitter - Civilian Police officers from the 'Breakaway Republic' of Donetsk have been press-ganged into either joining, or becoming, some form of auxiliary military unit in order to resist the Ukrainians...

Anywhere else in the world, this would be a clear sign of desperation, maybe even defeat. In this case, though, it may just be another example of "the Russian way of doing things".

And the desperate can still win - remember the time in the Tigray war when the TDF were nearly on the outskirts of Addis Ababa, and that bastard Abiy Ahmed went out to the front lines.

 

[cuppa tee]

Think does have same root as poultry. I think my teacher was using it incorrectly, he was meaning I was lazy or an idiot rather than a coward I expect.

it means both.

 

[TopCat]

Ukraine conscripting men in their seventh decade and sending them to the front. Russia press ganging coppers. Urbanites itching for more war.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Ukraine conscripting men in their seventh decade and sending them to the front. Russia press ganging coppers. Urbanites itching for more war.

What do you see as the solution?

 

[Idris2002]

Urbanites itching

Urbanites itching with anxiety

I think you can get a cream for that.

 

[editor]

Ukraine conscripting men in their seventh decade and sending them to the front. Russia press ganging coppers. Urbanites itching for more war.

And all thanks to Putin's filthy war.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ukraine conscripting men in their seventh decade and sending them to the front. Russia press ganging coppers. Urbanites itching for more war.

We all want the war to end, it’s just not going to until Putin call quits. Take it up with him

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Would Ukraine concede land for a settlement? It seems unlikely that Russia will enter into peace talks without some kind of win given its losses. And even if that was palatable for Ukraine what would prevent Russia from walking away, re-arming and then going in for another bite a few years down the road? Seems an impossible situation tbh.

 

[Rob Ray]

Urbanites itching for more war.

While I've repeatedly defended the place of principled anti-war positions in debate, including on here, I'd have a lot more respect for the people espousing them if the use of this sort of sweeping, unnuanced attempt at high-horsing wasn't the go-to for every discussion.

 

[teuchter]

Ukraine conscripting men in their seventh decade and sending them to the front. Russia press ganging coppers. Urbanites itching for more war.

Coppers being press ganged should greatly please the ACAB urbanites, surely.

 

[The39thStep]

Urbanites itching with anxiety

I think you can get a cream for that.

Sort of Ruts number

 

[Idris2002]

Would Ukraine concede land for a settlement?

They may not be given a choice. The best outcome, for them, is to sweep the enemy away with an iron broom. But what if they can't? Will DC give them a blank cheque forever?

 

[TopCat]

Coppers being press ganged should greatly please the ACAB urbanites, surely.

No idea what those cops are like. I think we need a police just never the lot we are saddled with.

 

[Yossarian]

The only "peace" deal Russia seems willing to accept is one that would allow it to continue waging war against the civilian population in the occupied territories with mass killings and torture until all traces of pro-Kyiv sympathies have been extinguished - doesn't seem very peaceful to me

 

[TopCat]

And all thanks to Putin's filthy war.

It’s not is it. It’s a simplistic perception you have that overly focuses on one person (Putin) when it’s far more complicated than that.

 

[TopCat]

What do you see as the solution?

Solution sounds a bit Mein Kamp for me but a negotiated settlement maybe based on the Minsk agreements and an immediate ceasefire would likely save thousands of lives. Lots of peace plans have been floated and all dismissed by the lunatic Zelensky. I think he will have to go before anything gets done.

 

[TopCat]

We all want the war to end, it’s just not going to until Putin call quits. Take it up with him

Nah you all don’t. Some protagonists are relishing the thought of a wider war

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Solution sounds a bit Mein Kamp for me but a negotiated settlement maybe based on the Minsk agreements and an immediate ceasefire would likely save thousands of lives. Lots of peace plans have been floated and all dismissed by the lunatic Zelensky. I think he will have to go before anything gets done.

Putin basically tore up the Minsk agreement so that’s probably a non runner.

 

[editor]

Solution sounds a bit Mein Kamp for me but a negotiated settlement maybe based on the Minsk agreements and an immediate ceasefire would likely save thousands of lives. Lots of peace plans have been floated and all dismissed by the lunatic Zelensky. I think he will have to go before anything gets done.

If Zelensky is a lunatic what does that make the war criminal Putin and his murderous cohorts?

 

[Rob Ray]

Lots of peace plans have been floated and all dismissed by the lunatic Zelensky.

Honestly though how you have the front to call anyone simplistic and then write this is beyond me.

 

[TopCat]

Honestly though how you have the front to call anyone simplistic and then write this is beyond me.

So stuff is beyond your Ken. So?

 

[TopCat]

If Zelensky is a lunatic what does that make the war criminal Putin and his murderous cohorts?

Zelensky is a loon because I think he has zero chance of winning, he knows this but will send his entire population into the maw and will never change tack.

 

[editor]

Zelensky is a loon because I think he has zero chance of winning, he knows this but will send his entire population into the maw and will never change tack.

What you think doesn't matter though. Do you dismiss everyone holding a different (unqualified) opinion to yours as a 'lunatic' too?

And how can you claim to know what he thinks? Do you have special powers?

 

[Rob Ray]

It is indeed "beyond my ken" how you can be quite insightful in other contexts, but have somehow gotten to the stage of dismissing Zelensky, who's clearly subject to multiple pressures from within his own society, from his allies and from his opponent (as well as having his own personal objectives, both ideological and practical) and who is obviously not a "lunatic," in this utterly cack-handed way. It fucking should concern you that the quality of your comment here is so abjectly poor. I'm very much in favour of critiquing the guy's actions, motivations etc but ffs get a grip.

 

[TopCat]

What you think doesn't matter though. Do you dismiss everyone holding a different (unqualified) opinion to yours as a 'lunatic' too?

And how can you claim to know what he thinks? Do you have special powers?

None of this twiddle really deserves a response.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Nah you all don’t. Some protagonists are relishing the thought of a wider war

Are these urbanites in the room with you now?

 

[TopCat]

Putin basically tore up the Minsk agreement so that’s probably a non runner.

Did you read Angela Merkels comments on the Minsk agreement?

 

[TopCat]

Are these urbanites in the room with you now?

Have you got some tank statistics to drool over?

 

[TopCat]

The only "peace" deal Russia seems willing to accept is one that would allow it to continue waging war against the civilian population in the occupied territories with mass killings and torture until all traces of pro-Kyiv sympathies have been extinguished - doesn't seem very peaceful to me

Seems being the key word in your post.