Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Yossarian]

They can always rely on TC

 

[The39thStep]

Furious MPs condemn Corbyn's response to Salisbury nerve agent attack

Labour leader accused of 'policy of appeasement' after refusing to directly blame Russia for poisoning former spy

www.independent.co.uk

Just sayin'

Same paper , day before:

Corbyn understands foreign policy – he proved it yesterday with Russia and he's proven it in the past

The very worst foreign policy mistakes have been made when the front benches of both parties agreed to stand together: the Commons voted for Invading Iraq in the same spirit of non-partisan ‘unity’ against external enemies. Both decisions were vigorously backed by Chris Leslie and IDS. Both were...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Artaxerxes]

Furious MPs condemn Corbyn's response to Salisbury nerve agent attack

Labour leader accused of 'policy of appeasement' after refusing to directly blame Russia for poisoning former spy

www.independent.co.uk

Just sayin'

Jeremy didn’t give the conservatives money, he just lives rent free

 

[editor]

Britain cannot yet say Russia is responsible for the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka dam, prime minister Rishi Sunak has said on Wednesday.

The US “cannot say conclusively” who was responsible for the destruction of the dam, national security council spokesperson John Kirby said on Tuesday.

What are your thoughts on this analysis?

 

[Pickman's model]

What are your thoughts on this analysis?
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[2hats]

Seismic analysis indicates an explosion led to the failure of the Kakhovka dam.

Seismiske signaler er registrert fra eksplosjon ved Kakhovka-demningen i Ukraina - jordskjelv.no

NORSAR har analysert seismiske signaler fra regionale stasjoner i forbindelse med kollapsen av demningen i Ukraina natt til tirsdag.

www.jordskjelv.no

 

[cupid_stunt]

Seismic analysis indicates an explosion led to the failure of the Kakhovka dam.

Seismiske signaler er registrert fra eksplosjon ved Kakhovka-demningen i Ukraina - jordskjelv.no

NORSAR har analysert seismiske signaler fra regionale stasjoner i forbindelse med kollapsen av demningen i Ukraina natt til tirsdag.

www.jordskjelv.no

That would seem to back up eye witness accounts that have been reported.

Data from regional seismic stations show clear signals on Tuesday 6 June at 2:54 local time (01:54 Norwegian time). Time and place coincide with reports in the media about the collapse of the Kakhovka dam. The signals indicate that there is an explosion.

Magnitude estimate is between 1 and 2.

The figure below shows the signal from the Bukovina (BURAR) seismic array, a measuring station in Romania. Distance from the dam is 620 km.

 

[Yossarian]

Maybe the Russians will investigate this mysterious explosion

 

[cupid_stunt]

Is that ^^^ TC?

 

[weltweit]

An ex military bod on R4 news said the Russians have just established a 60 mile zone in which the Ukranians can't attack them.

 

[not-bono-ever]

It’s a nuclear option without any Nukes

 

[MickiQ]

An ex military bod on R4 news said the Russians have just established a 60 mile zone in which the Ukranians can't attack them.

The Russians have just established a 60 mile zone in which the Ukrainians probably can't attack them for now. Massively underestimating the Ukrainians has what has led the Russians into this sorry state of affairs.
I'm pretty certain there are people in Kyiv right now looking at a map, stroking their chins and going hmmm.

 

[_Russ_]

The Seismic Data from that Dam breach actually looks more like what you see from a sudden collapse and not an explosion

 

[The39thStep]

Seismic analysis indicates an explosion led to the failure of the Kakhovka dam.

Seismiske signaler er registrert fra eksplosjon ved Kakhovka-demningen i Ukraina - jordskjelv.no

NORSAR har analysert seismiske signaler fra regionale stasjoner i forbindelse med kollapsen av demningen i Ukraina natt til tirsdag.

www.jordskjelv.no

Fuck , I was really getting into the natural causes stuff

 

[maomao]

The Seismic Data from that Dam breach actually looks more like what you see from a sudden collapse and not an explosion

Russ the geologist.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Seismic Data from that Dam breach actually looks more like what you see from a sudden collapse and not an explosion

Says urban's expert.

 

[keybored]

The Seismic Data from that Dam breach actually looks more like what you see from a sudden collapse and not an explosion

Is that your expert opinion or are you walting as a seismologist?

 

[jeff_leigh]

There can be absolutely no doubt Russia did this on purpose. Of course they did. And right at the time a counteroffensive was starting, in order to stall it. Putting Kiev in a difficult position.

It’s worked out pretty well for the Ukrainians, Now they’ve got a good excuse for not launching a counter offensive

 

[strung out]

It’s worked out pretty well for the Ukrainians, Now they’ve got a good excuse for not launching a counter offensive

They just have launched a counter offensive, that's why Russia (probably) blew the dam.

 

[bluescreen]

It’s worked out pretty well for the Ukrainians, Now they’ve got a good excuse for not launching a counter offensive

They've only got dead and 42,000 homeless, pollution, threat of disease, ruined cities and biblical tracts of ruined farmland and a potential nuclear disaster upstream

 

[Ming]

They just have launched a counter offensive, that's why Russia (probably) blew the dam.

Yep. 70 ton tanks don't work too well on boggy ground. They lose their advantage in speed and maneuverability. I suppose the Ukrainian and NATO planners thought 'well it's inevitable...'.

Curious to see what contingencies they've thought up (if any).

 

[gosub]

An ex military bod on R4 news said the Russians have just established a 60 mile zone in which the Ukranians can't attack them.

Any idea of the name? (One in mind)

That's a lot of people without potable water

 

[WouldBe]

Yep. 70 ton tanks don't work too well on boggy ground. They lose their advantage in speed and maneuverability. I suppose the Ukrainian and NATO planners thought 'well it's inevitable...'.

Curious to see what contingencies they've thought up (if any).

Counterattack further east.

 

[gosub]

This is now a sore that should need outside policing for long term stability , which can't happen coz of the way things are ...something got to give

 

[Kaka Tim]

Any idea of the name? (One in mind)

That's a lot of people without potable water

think it was frank gardner- long time bbc security correspondant. Ex army. Always had him down as a spook or "mi5 asset" tbh.

 

[Ming]

Counterattack further east.

OK. You got me there. But it does limit the possible locations for a counterattack.

 

[WouldBe]

OK. You got me there. But it does limit the possible locations for a counterattack.

More occupied territory not flooded than is.

 

[gosub]

think it was frank gardner- long time bbc security correspondant. Ex army. Always had him down as a spook or "mi5 asset" tbh.

Not who I was thinking of

Is a point of view. Makes 2014 Pyrric IMO

 

[strung out]

OK. You got me there. But it does limit the possible locations for a counterattack.

Ukraine weren't going to launch any counterattack through the now flooded regions anyway.

 

[gosub]

Ukraine weren't going to launch any counterattack through the now flooded regions anyway.

Hearts and minds rffort there will do them more good than any offensive