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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

google is your friend: 22 weeks Army National Guard

Imagine that's from no training. If they're taking tankies (no, not those ones) and just changing the tank and not having to teach so much basics etc. bet it's cut right short. Ask kebabking - isn't it just, "Forward, backwards, left, right, fire the fucking big gun?"

The UK training program for Ukrainian civilians with no prior military experience was 5 weeks iirc when standard UK basic training is 14 weeks I think, then you do your role specific training on top of that.

Some UK details here says 20 weeks but that includes a load of stuff that looks like could be dropped without an issue.

 
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I expect driving a Challenger would be quite simple compared to actually hitting an enemy with that gun. I expect shooting the gun to take the longest bit of training, and probably the most important bit also. [that is a guess btw]
 
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I expect driving a Challenger would be quite simple compared to actually hitting an enemy with that gun. I expect shooting the gun to take the longest bit of training, and probably the most important bit also. [that is a guess btw]
as anyone who's read sven hassel knows, the most important bit is being able to fix the tracks - your life expectancy will go right down if you're in an immobilised box
 
I wonder how long it takes to get trained up on how to operate a Nato tank?
I'm guessing that about nine weeks [average] for a conversion course - maybe more if there are very specialised electronics / optics to manage.
The Abrams turbine maintenance might be more of a problem ...
Obv much longer for a complete newbie.

In a similar vein, I recall that the HIMARS operations course was cut right back to the essentials.
 
The son of this woman I was going out with a few years back served time in the Army for flogging diesel and petrol off. He had some card from the army that could be used at petrol stations, he'd get the car filled up and then charge whoever the car belonged to half price for the fuel. Obviously, he couldn't fiddle the books permanently, got caught, and served his sentence at an army prison which by all accounts was a lot better than normal prison.
 
Driving a tank is relatively easy - one tank is very much like another: levers and power, that's it.

The gun is pretty much self controlling - you use the cross hairs on the gunners screen and the fire control system does the rest - wind, humidity, barrel temp and droop, ballaistics, ammunition temperature, ammunition type, how many rounds have been through the barrel...

The three big skills are maintaining /fixing the tank, loading the gun (we use a manual loading system - there are valid choices about automated loading systems, but they have disadvantages as well), and fighting the tank as part of a combined arms manouvere formation, which is different to how both the Russians, Ukrainians, and Soviets before them worked in practice - Soviet Tank warfare doctrine is a thing of unparalleled beauty and unmatched destructive power, it's just that no Soviet trained/derived army has yet managed to train their people well enough to carry it out.

I nearly rolled an AS90 - they've not let me near one since...
 
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The gun is pretty much self controlling - you use the cross hairs on the gunners screen and the fire control system does the rest - wind, humidity, barrel temp and droop, ballaistics, ammunition temperature, ammunition type, how many rounds have been through the barrel...
My dad was in armoured cars in WWII and I remember him telling me that the artillery had to factor in droop :)
 
What are the chances of success for the much heralded Ukraine counter offensive?
If it happens and it’s a big if, I don’t think there will be tangible success. I don’t think the Ukrainians have the manpower.

Thoughts?
My thoughts are that I don't want to see more armchair generalship from any perspective. I have no idea what will happen and what the outcome will be.
 
Imagine that's from no training. If they're taking tankies (no, not those ones) and just changing the tank and not having to teach so much basics etc. bet it's cut right short. Ask kebabking - isn't it just, "Forward, backwards, left, right, fire the fucking big gun?"

The UK training program for Ukrainian civilians with no prior military experience was 5 weeks iirc when standard UK basic training is 14 weeks I think, then you do your role specific training on top of that.

Some UK details here says 20 weeks but that includes a load of stuff that looks like could be dropped without an issue.

AIUI, there are two training streams for Ukrainian infantry. Those destined to fill the defensive lines get the 5 weeks and out you go. Those earmarked for the mythical Spring Offensive get a bit more (I have not been told how much that is). They'll be sending their best and brightest, so if they fail it's over for retaking territory and the best they can do is hold the line.
 
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