Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
They are just responding to NATO aggression mate
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
google is your friend: 22 weeks Army National Guard
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I wonder if they have that long.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Imagine that's from no training. If they're taking tankies (no, not those ones) and just changing the tank and not having to teach so much basics etc. bet it's cut right short. Ask kebabking - isn't it just, "Forward, backwards, left, right, fire the fucking big gun?"
The UK training program for Ukrainian civilians with no prior military experience was 5 weeks iirc when standard UK basic training is 14 weeks I think, then you do your role specific training on top of that.
Some UK details here says 20 weeks but that includes a load of stuff that looks like could be dropped without an issue.
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Walty McWaltface
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
as anyone who's read sven hassel knows, the most important bit is being able to fix the tracks - your life expectancy will go right down if you're in an immobilised box
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
I'm guessing that about nine weeks [average] for a conversion course - maybe more if there are very specialised electronics / optics to manage.
The Abrams turbine maintenance might be more of a problem ...
Obv much longer for a complete newbie.
In a similar vein, I recall that the HIMARS operations course was cut right back to the essentials.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Has anyone on here actually been trained to drive a tank?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Does in my wildest fantasies count?
Cid
Proper break this time
Your wildest fantasies involve driving a tank?
Wonder whether any urbs are banned from Bovington tank museum...
maomao
普費斯
Congratulations, you're our expert.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
If I told you, I'ld have to shoot you.
Actually, driven a Ferret armoured car and been carted about in / on a Warrior.
But I used to know several people in the TA who did have that traning.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I thought that was for flogging the diesel off?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
No, but when I was young and naive I applied to join a cavalry regiment. Had a nice lunch and said I'd be in touch after I'd been travelling. I didn't, but I got Xmas cards with tanks in the snow for a few years.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No, but when I was young and naive I applied to join a cavalry regiment.
We're talking tanks, not red trousers and ponies ffs.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
When it comes to tanks, they look more organised than Russia.
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The39thStep
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The son of this woman I was going out with a few years back served time in the Army for flogging diesel and petrol off. He had some card from the army that could be used at petrol stations, he'd get the car filled up and then charge whoever the car belonged to half price for the fuel. Obviously, he couldn't fiddle the books permanently, got caught, and served his sentence at an army prison which by all accounts was a lot better than normal prison.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Been in the back of an old BMP driven by a idiot. Very unpleasant doesn't quite cover it, but pretty sure that makes me almost a tank commander.
The bloke who ran it was a “character” all right!When it comes to tanks, they look more organised than Russia.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Driving a tank is relatively easy - one tank is very much like another: levers and power, that's it.
The gun is pretty much self controlling - you use the cross hairs on the gunners screen and the fire control system does the rest - wind, humidity, barrel temp and droop, ballaistics, ammunition temperature, ammunition type, how many rounds have been through the barrel...
The three big skills are maintaining /fixing the tank, loading the gun (we use a manual loading system - there are valid choices about automated loading systems, but they have disadvantages as well), and fighting the tank as part of a combined arms manouvere formation, which is different to how both the Russians, Ukrainians, and Soviets before them worked in practice - Soviet Tank warfare doctrine is a thing of unparalleled beauty and unmatched destructive power, it's just that no Soviet trained/derived army has yet managed to train their people well enough to carry it out.
I nearly rolled an AS90 - they've not let me near one since...
The gun is pretty much self controlling - you use the cross hairs on the gunners screen and the fire control system does the rest - wind, humidity, barrel temp and droop, ballaistics, ammunition temperature, ammunition type, how many rounds have been through the barrel...
The three big skills are maintaining /fixing the tank, loading the gun (we use a manual loading system - there are valid choices about automated loading systems, but they have disadvantages as well), and fighting the tank as part of a combined arms manouvere formation, which is different to how both the Russians, Ukrainians, and Soviets before them worked in practice - Soviet Tank warfare doctrine is a thing of unparalleled beauty and unmatched destructive power, it's just that no Soviet trained/derived army has yet managed to train their people well enough to carry it out.
I nearly rolled an AS90 - they've not let me near one since...
weltweit
Well-Known Member
My dad was in armoured cars in WWII and I remember him telling me that the artillery had to factor in droop
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
My thoughts are that I don't want to see more armchair generalship from any perspective. I have no idea what will happen and what the outcome will be.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
AIUI, there are two training streams for Ukrainian infantry. Those destined to fill the defensive lines get the 5 weeks and out you go. Those earmarked for the mythical Spring Offensive get a bit more (I have not been told how much that is). They'll be sending their best and brightest, so if they fail it's over for retaking territory and the best they can do is hold the line.
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