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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

According to western reports hardly any prisoners survived. Now thousands of cut throats are returning home. Which is it?
in the past there've been some very interesting books about media coverage of wars come out, the lessons of which are often forgotten - certainly there were books about the late 1990s campaigns in the balkans and iirc the war in iraq (or at least the early stages of it). when media historians look back on the current conflict in ukraine i think they'll tell us that we've been lied to on a more systematic basis than many people appear to believe is the case at the moment. how we all laughed during the falklands war when it seems the argentines were told the invincible had been sunk on several occasions. now we're told how flagrantly the russians are being lied to now: but british lying * puffs out chest * is far superior to the sort of tosh johnny foreigner farts out, as it's often subtler and more insidious. now and again the media make arses of themselves as they did in eg 1982 and 1991 when the most unremarkable songs were banned from airplay. more often their disinformation goes unremarked.
 
Ramping up the rhetoric.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Zelenskiy, told La Repubblica that Berlusconi’s words were “damaging to Italy”. “Berlusconi is a VIP agitator who acts within the framework of Russian propaganda, he trades Italy’s reputation for his friendship with Putin,” he said, adding:

Throw off the mask and say publicly that you are in favour of the genocide of the Ukrainian people.
Oleg Nikolenko, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian foreign ministry, wrote on Facebook: “Berlusconi’s senseless accusations against Zelenskiy are an attempt to kiss Putin’s hands, bloodied up to the elbows.”
 
Ramping up the rhetoric.

Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Zelenskiy, told La Repubblica that Berlusconi’s words were “damaging to Italy”. “Berlusconi is a VIP agitator who acts within the framework of Russian propaganda, he trades Italy’s reputation for his friendship with Putin,” he said, adding:


Oleg Nikolenko, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian foreign ministry, wrote on Facebook: “Berlusconi’s senseless accusations against Zelenskiy are an attempt to kiss Putin’s hands, bloodied up to the elbows.”

Berlusconi who went into coalition with self-styled "Post-Fascist" Gianfranco Fini and the unashamed racists of Legha/ Legha Nord; pimped underage girls; and employed a Mafioso to run his private estate.

I don't see anything wrong with reminding folk of what a shit he is.
 
Berlusconi who went into coalition with self-styled "Post-Fascist" Gianfranco Fini and the unashamed racists of Legha/ Legha Nord; pimped underage girls; and employed a Mafioso to run his private estate.

I don't see anything wrong with reminding folk of what a shit he is.
I agree he is a loathsome shit. It was the Putins blood hands dripping bit and the genocide accusation that got me.
 
This might not be the correct thread for this but it can go under the general "shit Russia is doing" theme here.

Moldova’s president has accused Russia of plotting to overthrow the country’s pro-EU government through violent actions disguised as opposition protest.
 
This might not be the correct thread for this but it can go under the general "shit Russia is doing" theme here.

Moldova’s president has accused Russia of plotting to overthrow the country’s pro-EU government through violent actions disguised as opposition protest.
The tangentially related thread is where you should have put this, that's why it's there.
 
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The current battle at Vuhledar sounds absolutely horrific.

Ukrainian claims that up to 5000 Russians killed, wounded or captured in a week. Reports that wave after wave of Russian soldiers are being sent in and gunned down. Tanks trundling into minefields being followed by soldiers. Igor Girkin saying "the Ukrainians shot the attackers like in a shooting gallery". Unease amongst Russian military bloggers prompting Putin to say of the battle "marine infantry is working as it should. Right now. Fighting heroically."

And maybe Putin is right and the marine infantry is working as it "should" - huge numbers of young men sent to their deaths to wear down the Ukrainian defences and deplete their ammunition, which they appear to be struggling with, as the town is destroyed - Saturday saw the town bombarded with thermobaric missiles.

All for one small coalmining town surrounded by fields :(

CNN link - plenty of others are available.
 
Tanks trundling into minefields being followed by soldiers.
Possibly the Ukrainians are dynamically seeding the battlefield with M70 RAAM via 155mm artillery, which could be used to hamper retreat as well as advance.
 
The current battle at Vuhledar sounds absolutely horrific.

Ukrainian claims that up to 5000 Russians killed, wounded or captured in a week. Reports that wave after wave of Russian soldiers are being sent in and gunned down. Tanks trundling into minefields being followed by soldiers. Igor Girkin saying "the Ukrainians shot the attackers like in a shooting gallery". Unease amongst Russian military bloggers prompting Putin to say of the battle "marine infantry is working as it should. Right now. Fighting heroically."

And maybe Putin is right and the marine infantry is working as it "should" - huge numbers of young men sent to their deaths to wear down the Ukrainian defences and deplete their ammunition, which they appear to be struggling with, as the town is destroyed - Saturday saw the town bombarded with thermobaric missiles.

All for one small coalmining town surrounded by fields :(

CNN link - plenty of others are available.
No numbers or reports of note concerning Ukrainians killed or injured though. Propaganda large.
 
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