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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Family reunion after occupation in Savyntsi, Kharkiv Oblast:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/10/izyum-family-reunions-liberation-ukraine/
Didn't seem to be paywalled, but just in case: archive.ph
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/10/izyum-family-reunions-liberation-ukraine/
Didn't seem to be paywalled, but just in case: archive.ph
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
It's about sending a message. Mostly to Russians I suspect.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Maybe maomao doesn't have the Platinum Makro card you clearly have
Supine
Newt Member
JimW
支那暗杀团
Though the longer video shows him licking a finger and holding it up to test the wind.They use guidance systems - not just a good eye from the operator
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh I've long ago ceded the field of pedantry to people like you who've raised the art of nitpicking far beyond anything I might offer
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
yes, though it would rely on the bloke with the SAM being in the right place at the right time
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They use guidance systems - not just a good eye from the operator
Yes but the guidance systems are designed to hit aircraft surely? Which are both bigger and slower than missiles?
e2a: That video from today seems to be the first known instance of a MANPADS hitting a cruise missile.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
a lot of cruise missiles are not supersonic, and whilst they are smaller in size they may present a better target for an infrared-homing missile (especially from behind) - its not like it will make any evasion attempts, release flares or anything
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
or is it theatre?
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
I dunno, one blackjack can carry 12, even an ancient Tu95 can carry 6 they've been making them for decades must have a shit load of the things
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Plenty implying are they are running short, but as always propagandists are all over both sides in this Explainer: Is Russia Running Low on Missiles? - The Moscow Times
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Those Nazis in Kyiv that have been repressing the Russian language for years in an attempt to eliminate Russian culture and deny Russians in Ukraine the chance to study their native tongue, well them Nazis have a university called Taras Shevchenko State University, this place had a department of Russian language, sneaky fuckers huh? Well, had one, until yesterday:
Bombed by the Russians.
Alanis will be along shortly to comment on this.
Bombed by the Russians.
Alanis will be along shortly to comment on this.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Whether they are running short or not, one fact is indisputable: with sanctions, and Russia's heavy use of Western technology in its missiles, there is little if any question of any replacements for the missiles they fire. And they certainly don't have limitless stocks.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
We know they don't have as many as they'd like simply because they've been using long range surface to air missiles to attack land targets in Ukraine.
Since early summer the Russians have been moving S300 SAM batteries from around St Petersburg and the borders of the Baltic States and Poland - as well as wholesale from the Far East Military District - and using them in the surface role. This tells us two things: firstly that only a lunatic would retask air defence weapons as land attack weapons if he doesn't need to, and secondly, no one who genuinely believes they might face NATO airpower is going to move their air defence systems away from their borders with NATO states.
Now, whether that means they are running low on stocks, or whether they consider their air defence systems to be worthless/supremely capable against NATO so may as well be used against something useful, or whether it's 'one last push', or whether they want to retain a sizable stock of their purpose built land attack weapons is a different story - but they aren't pissing away their air defence missiles as a drunken prank.
Since early summer the Russians have been moving S300 SAM batteries from around St Petersburg and the borders of the Baltic States and Poland - as well as wholesale from the Far East Military District - and using them in the surface role. This tells us two things: firstly that only a lunatic would retask air defence weapons as land attack weapons if he doesn't need to, and secondly, no one who genuinely believes they might face NATO airpower is going to move their air defence systems away from their borders with NATO states.
Now, whether that means they are running low on stocks, or whether they consider their air defence systems to be worthless/supremely capable against NATO so may as well be used against something useful, or whether it's 'one last push', or whether they want to retain a sizable stock of their purpose built land attack weapons is a different story - but they aren't pissing away their air defence missiles as a drunken prank.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
How much of the Home based S300 system has been upgraded/replaced with the S400 I wonder?, re-purposing some of the S300 stock could actually make sense at this time.
It does look increasingly panic - driven but im not getting upbeat about the picture yet, Im always of the mind that western media even the apparently informed by intelligence source type is feeding us a fair bit of crap
It does look increasingly panic - driven but im not getting upbeat about the picture yet, Im always of the mind that western media even the apparently informed by intelligence source type is feeding us a fair bit of crap
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Won't they also need to fly lower as well when they get close to the target?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I think it also depends on what running low means. There is running low as in about to run out completely, and there is running low meaning stockpiles are lower than they are comfortably with.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Absolutely - 'running low' is a very subjective opinion, and it might change as circumstances change. 'has run out' is an objective term, but 'running low' could cover a multitude of sins.
I think it's pretty solid that they have used far more more munitions that they thought they would have, and that they have had significantly less effect than they have assumed, and that it has proved to be more difficult to produce replacements in the face of western sanctions than they had banked on.
That said, the comments come from the head of GCHQ, a service that is at the forefront of SIGINT in eastern Europe. It's unlikely that he's basing his words purely on Russians saying 'were a bit low on...'. it's also worth noting that NATO is running a huge weapons intelligence program - it's not something I'm involved in, but we have a pretty good idea of what Russia is using in Ukraine, where and when, and have done since the spring. In some things, they are very much scraping the barrel...
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
One of the many lessons of modern warfare is that you never have enough in stock. The expenditure of an artillery troop alone is enormous let alone PBI stocks. Cruise missiles I'd guess woud operate on similar lines "oh of course a thousand will be plenty, they cost a few million we'll never need more" but they've been punting them out left and right.
Yes, along with "well they can't justify firing another dozen just to take out a pedestrian bridge, it makes no military sense" when the Russians are more than happy to do so to kill a few more Ukrainians.
Yes, along with "well they can't justify firing another dozen just to take out a pedestrian bridge, it makes no military sense" when the Russians are more than happy to do so to kill a few more Ukrainians.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Permanent Arms Economy in a nutshell
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