Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
Not sure I'd be at the front of the queue.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
It's clear in the videos that one side of the road bridge is still there and it's a two-lane highway so it could function as a one lane highway once the rubble has been swept up. The amount of traffic it can take is obviously much smaller.
It's also obvious by now that H&S is not really a Russian thing but it must be unnerving to drive over the bit next where the other side is missing.
It's also obvious by now that H&S is not really a Russian thing but it must be unnerving to drive over the bit next where the other side is missing.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Based on my extensive research of having watching a few videos posted on the bandwidth thread. Driving for Russians is pretty unnerving most of fhe time
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion, apparently.
Big fuck-off bang, to us civvies.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
The important thing about BLEVE is that it turns a fire (albeit a very hot one) into an explosion. With pressure waves'n'shit.
Although Twitter speculation seems to be leading towards the idea that whatever the big bang was, it was BELOW the bridge, so anything happening up above (fertiliser-laden truck, BLEVE, burny train shit) was icing on the (birthday) cake.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Bridges can often be repaired surprisingly quickly.
The giant brick viaduct in Brighton got bombed in two places in WW2 but supposedly they had trains running again (over a temporary structure) within 24 hrs.
publictransportexperience.blogspot.com
It would not surprise me if the Crimea bridge is back in use quite rapidly. The deck portion is probably relatively straightforward to rebuild. The more serious damage would be to the piers, especially the below water portions.
The giant brick viaduct in Brighton got bombed in two places in WW2 but supposedly they had trains running again (over a temporary structure) within 24 hrs.
Shedding a Light On the Station at Brighton (3)
From Yesterday - Some Post Scripta The London Road Viaduct at Brighton was bombed during WW2 and a section of the arches was totally destr...
publictransportexperience.blogspot.com
It would not surprise me if the Crimea bridge is back in use quite rapidly. The deck portion is probably relatively straightforward to rebuild. The more serious damage would be to the piers, especially the below water portions.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
How's the Nord Stream investigation going?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
You'll be amazed at what gaffer tape can do
Indeliblelink
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Twitter reporting "something happening" in Moscow.
news.yahoo.com
Intelligence announces numerous arrests of military personnel in Moscow
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO - SATURDAY, 8 OCTOBER 2022, 17:47 According to Ukrainian Intelligence, numerous arrests of servicemen have started in Moscow, with traffic in the city centre blocked, although Russian media are failing to report this.
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Cid
Proper break this time
The video (via liveuamap) I saw of 'first cars crossing' was just two cars, and pretty sure the lead one was police (blues behind grille). Obviously there's a world of difference between carefully allowing passenger vehicles and restoring an active freight route. But as with many things in this, case of wait for more info.
Indeliblelink
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Should of put it on the speculation thread really but that seems to turned into a discussion about dentistry.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Bridges can often be repaired surprisingly quickly.
The giant brick viaduct in Brighton got bombed in two places in WW2 but supposedly they had trains running again (over a temporary structure) within 24 hrs.
Shedding a Light On the Station at Brighton (3)
From Yesterday - Some Post Scripta The London Road Viaduct at Brighton was bombed during WW2 and a section of the arches was totally destr...
It would not surprise me if the Crimea bridge is back in use quite rapidly. The deck portion is probably relatively straightforward to rebuild. The more serious damage would be to the piers, especially the below water portions.
I think this is true - the Ru army takes railway operations very seriously. They'll certainly have the gear to get that bridge going again, and in short shrift. They probably have the training and maintenance necessary as well, because it's something they practice as part of their normal routine.
Probably.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
a capability we used to have back in the day:
Longmoor Military Railway - Wikipedia
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Twitter reporting "something happening" in Moscow.
Intelligence announces numerous arrests of military personnel in Moscow
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO - SATURDAY, 8 OCTOBER 2022, 17:47 According to Ukrainian Intelligence, numerous arrests of servicemen have started in Moscow, with traffic in the city centre blocked, although Russian media are failing to report this.
Doesn't seem to be any blockages particularly. Webcams in Moscow: traffic
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Satellite piccie...
It's - at least it looks - reparable/bodgable. One of the road spans looks fairly ok, the other one looks like it's fairly small beer to any Army with bridging gear, and the railway (assuming the fundamental strength of the bridge is intact) is something that any railway unit could manage in 24 hours or so - you'd simply cut everything 100m each side of the damage, rip it out, and replace it. I don't imagine the Russians would have problems laying their hands on simple railway materials.
I think the Russian governments approach to Health and Safety, as well as construction and materials standards , is going to be a (short term?) advantage to them - if Vlad is happy sending people off to war with empty jamming pods on his fighters, and lumps of rubber on his tanks masquerading as reactive armour, he's not going to give a shit about the structural integrity of the bridge.
The Ferry that's replacing the bridge has been taken over by the FSB - what they will know about operating a ferry is perhaps a mystery, but it shows what the dynamic is...
It's - at least it looks - reparable/bodgable. One of the road spans looks fairly ok, the other one looks like it's fairly small beer to any Army with bridging gear, and the railway (assuming the fundamental strength of the bridge is intact) is something that any railway unit could manage in 24 hours or so - you'd simply cut everything 100m each side of the damage, rip it out, and replace it. I don't imagine the Russians would have problems laying their hands on simple railway materials.
I think the Russian governments approach to Health and Safety, as well as construction and materials standards , is going to be a (short term?) advantage to them - if Vlad is happy sending people off to war with empty jamming pods on his fighters, and lumps of rubber on his tanks masquerading as reactive armour, he's not going to give a shit about the structural integrity of the bridge.
The Ferry that's replacing the bridge has been taken over by the FSB - what they will know about operating a ferry is perhaps a mystery, but it shows what the dynamic is...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Added to the above:
There's a reason that Air Forces attack concrete and steel structures with 1000lb hardened penetration bombs. The two road spans have been dropped and will need to be replaced, but - and caveat, from what it looks like - the railway bridge has just been burnt a bit. It quite possible that while it's made a mess of the railway infrastructure on the bridge, it's had little effect on the actual bridge itself.
There's a reason that Air Forces attack concrete and steel structures with 1000lb hardened penetration bombs. The two road spans have been dropped and will need to be replaced, but - and caveat, from what it looks like - the railway bridge has just been burnt a bit. It quite possible that while it's made a mess of the railway infrastructure on the bridge, it's had little effect on the actual bridge itself.
Blimey, never realised satellite pics were so good. ⁰
These are just the low quality ones
T & P
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I know perspective is everything and a given event can look dramatically different depending on when you were observing it from. But it’s still interesting that in the footage of the explosion, the fireball seemed to be very close to the raised section of the bridge, whereas the burning train looks to be on a level section of the structure.
I guess it’s quite plausible the train was hit by the explosion some distance away and came to a stop where it can be seen in your image…
strung out
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meh
its a bit of theatre for the benefit of the Russians in Crimea, civilians primarily. This isnt your land, we can cut you off, bomb the airfields, cause disruption with a relatively low casualty level. Its pure propaganda. Best if you fuck off now. Its not safe for you any more.
Exactly this, and to scare the Russian soldiers in Kherson - you’ve got a 300 mile walk home being chased by Ukrainian snipers.
Alex
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
was the Dugan bombing also theatre but for Russians in Moscow ?
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