Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[teqniq]

Big demo in Moscow as well:

 

[Raheem]

It looks like rt.com is being DDoS’d (over-loaded with malicious requests to prevent it from providing the intended service).

This is micky mouse business but if the cyber attack ante is raised it could get well messy.

I'll assume U75 has a contingency plan, though.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

“Anonymous” claims to have been responsible for the attack on RT



Definitely not work experience kids at GCHQ, nope, no way.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Former deputy PM of Ukraine just said on ch4 news that Ukraine forces recaptured the airport and blew up the runway.

At last someone in Ukrainian army HQ has bothered to read the vital commentary on Urban

 

[zahir]

 

[Humberto]

I'll assume U75 has a contingency plan, though.

Lazy Llama Has several satellites in orbit.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

I'll assume U75 has a contingency plan, though.

Seriously, if cyber retaliation escalates it will be huge. NATOs critical national infrastructure will be easy meat.

 

[Humberto]

Seriously, if cyber retaliation escalates it will be huge. NATOs critical national infrastructure will be easy meat.

Should I panic then?

 

[Raheem]

Seriously, if cyber retaliation escalates it will be huge. NATOs critical national infrastructure will be easy meat.

Supposedly. I think it all turns on whether releasing fake video with full edit-process metadata is genius or not.

 

[elbows]

I know Ive never been more shitted up by a crises - significantly more than 9/11 or covid - because its well within the realms of possibility that the nation that has just launched the biggest European war since 1945 and has the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet is in the grip of a paranoid madman. So i really hope it is a continuation of the same old grim geo-political shit.

Ah I see. I suppose I'm not in shock today because what the west has been saying was Russias plan for weeks now always seemed quite plausible to me, and as a result I think I'd have been more surprised if the invasion hadnt happened. Not that I predicted current events earlier than all this talk of war first began. But I did become aware quite early on this century of Ukraine being in that fucking 'Grand Chessboard' book I mentioned earlier, and this was lurking somewhere in my mind during every chapter in Ukraines history so far this century, so the shitty geopolitical scene in that region was set in my mind a very long time ago.

As I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum a few times before, I also grew up with timing where I ended up with some personal awareness of global events at just the moment that the likes of Thatcher and Reagan reheated the cold-war rhetoric, and nuclear war featured again quite heavily in popular culture, and we had to listen to Sting singing about hoping the Russians loved their children too. And then the local police set off our air raid sirens by mistake early one morning, when I was still a child just waking up for another normal day at school. These things left an impression on me - I wouldnt say they made me numb and carefree about the prospects of that stuff, but I probably processed and came to terms with some of the fears, and the way fear was cynically ratcheted up and down to serve particular agendas.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Should I panic then?

Nah, just get a stash of beers in.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Supposedly. I think it all turns on whether releasing fake video with full edit-process metadata is genius or not.

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[Humberto]

Nah, just get a stash of beers in.

I'm too well known now.

 

[Raheem]

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Some of the footage broadcast in Russia showing supposed Ukrainian shelling and incursions into rebel-held territory was released complete with metadata relating to how it has been edited, and showing that it was faked. Genius mindgames, perhaps. Russia not actually having an unstoppable army of cyber whizz-kids, also perhaps.

 

[Hollis]

i find that attitude saddening

It's not an attitude. It's an observation.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

 

[Humberto]

Don't know who you are but you need a comment with that of some sort.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Some of the footage broadcast in Russia showing supposed Ukrainian shelling and incursions into rebel-held territory was released complete with metadata relating to how it has been edited, and showing that it was faked. Genius mindgames, perhaps. Russia not actually having an unstoppable army of cyber whizz-kids, also perhaps.

This alleged incident does not reflect Russia’s cyber resources. Do you think Putin got on the blower to his top tier hackers and asked them to knock up a quick video?

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Don't know who you are but you need a comment with that of some sort.

“Don’t know who you are” pompous arse.

 

[Kaka Tim]

So in the cyber war stakes - is it freelance, bong changing neck beards vs the KGB?

 

[Humberto]

FSB if anyone. They've been going since the 90s. No KGB anymore.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

So in the cyber war stakes - is it freelance, bong changing neck beards vs the KGB?

Funnily enough some 3 letter US agencies have had to changed their hardline stance on dope smoking to address the skills shortage in cyber security.

 

[Kaka Tim]

FSB if anyone. They've been going since the 90s. No KGB anymore.

I know. Was being glib.

 

[JimW]

That Meduza lot I was wondering about have come out with a good editorial: No to War An editorial from Meduza — Meduza

The tragic experience of the twentieth century should have been enough to convince Putin that Moscow’s intrusion into its neighbors’ lives wouldn’t bring them closer to Russia, but drive them further away. That’s what happened after the Soviet annexation of the Baltic states in 1940, after the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956, and, of course, during the Prague Spring of 1968. Evidently, President Putin would rather lecture people about history than learn from it.

We understand that we’ve found ourselves in a situation where we hold little sway. But we have a duty to state loudly and clearly that this is not our war and we do not support it. The invasion of Ukraine was started on behalf of Russian citizens but against our will. The shame that comes with it will be with us forever.

 

[Raheem]

This alleged incident does not reflect Russia’s cyber resources. Do you think Putin got on the blower to his top tier hackers and asked them to knock up a quick video?

It's not an "alleged incident". And perhaps that's how it happened, IDK.

Russia has the proven ability to carry out dos attacks, password phishing and various other things which most highschool computer clubs are also capable of. But most of the software and hardware Russia uses was designed in the States. I really doubt it would stand a chance in a cyberware faceoff.

 

[Raheem]

FSB if anyone. They've been going since the 90s. No KGB anymore.

KGB is to FSB as Jobcentre is to Jobcentre Plus.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

It's not an "alleged incident". And perhaps that's how it happened, IDK.

Russia has the proven ability to carry out dos attacks, password phishing and various other things which most highschool computer clubs are also capable of. But most of the software and hardware Russia uses was designed in the States. I really doubt it would stand a chance in a cyberware faceoff.

Firstly, Putin did not call his most prized hackers to knock up a shonky video. Some eager junior would have been assigned that job most likely considering the results.

Russia’s offensive cyber skills are good and there’s decent evidence of that if you bothered looking.

Importantly, you’re conflating offensive vs defensive capabilities. Attacking is relatively much easier than defending. Attackers only have to get it right once (give or take), defenders? They’ve got to be on it constantly. Russia, could if they desired cripple key services and infrastructure if they decided to. You only have to look at the accidental harm cyber criminals caused to fuel supplies in the US recently to see this.

 

[gosub]

KGB is to FSB as Jobcentre is to Jobcentre Plus.

As opposed to GRU which has always been invite only

 

[RileyOBlimey]

If anyone would like to get their nerd on this lists commonly known cyber threat actors (APTs) and their associated MOs (TTPs). Among them you will see a number of Russian groups: Groups | MITRE ATT&CK®

 

[Humberto]

KGB is to FSB as Jobcentre is to Jobcentre Plus.

Is this a joke? Shit either way sorry.