dilute micro
esse quam videri
If that's the case there's going to be some fragging.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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steeplejack
I'm Away Right Now
The Belarusian KGB is stepping up to ‘purge’ the Belarusian railway of unreliables. The rail war disrupting troop & material movement is really winding them up.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That'll go well. I wonder how effectively a railway that has been gutted of essential personnel for "unreliability" is going to work. It's Stalin's officer purges all over again.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
My late sister's ex did something or other in Belarus. He was a cunt.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Have you watched Oliver Stone's film? Let's ignore the fact it's a piece of shit and just note that he does interview Putin and Putin describes full well why he thinks, or suggests, Ukraine is indeed full of Nazis.
bimble
floofy
I haven’t and not sure I could stomach it.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It would give you your answer but I fully understand why you might not want to watch it.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Quite a bit of chat that the Russians have released some casualty data.
Just short of 10,000 members of the Russian Armed Forces dead, another 14,000 injured. That figure - for what it's worth, and there's debate - won't include contractors from groups like Wagner, or from the Ministry of the Interior, who have their own troops in Ukraine.
It's broadly in line with some of the numbers that were being floated, but it's high - about two-thirds of all of Soviet losses in a decade in Afghanistan.
Just short of 10,000 members of the Russian Armed Forces dead, another 14,000 injured. That figure - for what it's worth, and there's debate - won't include contractors from groups like Wagner, or from the Ministry of the Interior, who have their own troops in Ukraine.
It's broadly in line with some of the numbers that were being floated, but it's high - about two-thirds of all of Soviet losses in a decade in Afghanistan.
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Harrowing. Putin and his generals should swing for Mariupol alone.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
When so much media is just shit trawled from twitter, it's sobering to see some journalists earning their keep.That was a hard read.
Once again I am in awe at the bravery shown by media teams out there.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It wouldn't be reasonable to assume that it'll continue as one-sidedly as that - if Russia starts deciding to go for more brutal options perhaps via his "vengeance weapons" (Fuel-air, hypersonics, chemicals), I'm sure he could quickly reap vast numbers of casualties quite cheaply. But - even allowing for the tendency for us to see the Ukrainian victory stories more - it does seem clear that the Russian military system is quite rotten at the core. I saw a comment recently about the absence of an NCO tier in their military, which means that smaller groups have little autonomy, and must essentially wait for word from a senior officer as to what to do next. Which has the handy side-effect, of making those senior officers geo-locatable, and able to be assassinated...and yet the system seems to have been incapable of adapting even to that threat. Someone is going to be writing quite the PhD thesis on the use of public communications systems in 21C warfare...
Of course, one of the big "lag factors" in any effect that this loss rate might have on Russian public opinion is the vice-like grip the Kremlin have on information. It's pretty obvious that some stuff is getting through, but I wonder if it will become enough to have any influence on the Kremlin itself? I quietly hope that someone on the inside is arranging for some kind of coup whereby Putin gets presented with a...physical ultimatum he just can't refuse. It would seem to be the option likely to result in the least loss of life. I guess there aren't the number of convenient African/South American republics someone like him can be exiled to, these days...
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Oops.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I pray (well, not really) for a situation whereby Putin and his generals can be tried for war crimes. What on earth would you do with them, though? Perhaps there's a thread in there somewhere...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I've seen - and apparently so has twitter - stuff from Ukraine that suggests that medical support in the Russian Army means some rubber bands to act as tourniquets...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Russian military doctrine doesn't really espouse the "we bring everyone home" notion that Western, and especially US, militaries tend to go for. Cynically, it's probably mainly a motivating factor - if you know that taking one for the team is going to mean something to someone, and they'll at least try to save you or bring back your mortal remains, you're more likely to take that risk, and die - be recognised - as a hero. If you've seen your fallen comrades rotting by the side of the road, or dying slowly of treatable injuries, it's not exactly going to inspire you to do much beyond a) what you're told, and b) trying to survive.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Death of Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's not nice, but...it's a pretty good pour encourager les autres.Death of Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
harrowing.Poor babies...dead on the floor. They hardly got a few day's of life
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
You're forgetting tradition. Poison has always been a somewhat lowbrow means of assassination; far better to have a good, visible event that sends the right message.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
There were ambulances stuck in that traffic jam. I don't buy the assumptions behind 'more likely to just leave their men to die'. There will be good human beings in the Russian medic squad. And there will be a medic squad. Even if the system is rotten, good people will still exist.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Latest report from my Ukrainian in laws: some refugees from Mariupol have finally arrived in their town. Apparently there are several women who have been taken to the local kindergarten, all sitting catatonic on the floor. Able to sip water if it's physically tipped into their mouths from a cup but not eating, not speaking, not even responding to their children's cries.
It really is time we stopped letting weak, angry, cruel little men run entire civilisations.
It really is time we stopped letting weak, angry, cruel little men run entire civilisations.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
For my part, the limit on assassination approaches would have to factor in a significant bit of "let them not make me be any more like them then absolutely necessary".
A quick and painless kill solves the problem, without debasing (any more than the minimum) everyone involved.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Sadly there seems to be no chance of that changing anytime soon. Quite the opposite.
bimble
floofy
Yeah, I don’t think it’s about bad people just a stinking system which doesn’t prioritise the injured. This is the thing I was referring to, it’s quite long, it does mention the medical supplies in the traffic jam.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I would say this, wouldn't I, but we are looking down the barrel of a massive mental health catastrophe, not just by those directly traumatised by their own experience, but indirectly, vicariously, and in all kinds of ways. I'm already picking up on levels of anxiety amongst clients about, eg., the prospect of nuclear war, and others deeply upset by the images of human suffering in Ukraine. We are going to reap the whirlwind.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I don't think it should be done that quickly.
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