Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Dystopiary]

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[Cid]

Link's not working. I did try to find the original article, but wasn't sure which one it was.

Works fine for me?

 

[Dystopiary]

Works fine for me?

It's working for me now, thanks. Maybe it was just a blip. I'll delete that post now.

 

[Cid]

Russia sets 5am deadline for surrender of Mariupol, offering humanitarian corridors in return. There's a lot to unpack there, not got the headspace for it.

Reuters article below:

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[Dystopiary]

Whoever is doing Zelenskys PR, whether it's him or a team, is doing hell of a job.

Graphic footage involved

I think this has been something that Putin didn't expect, the tenacity of the guy and surge in his popularity, and not just in his own country. (I say this as someone who's pretty much anti-governments.)

 

[emanymton]

I think this has been something that Putin didn't expect, the tenacity of the guy and surge in his popularity, and not just in his own country. (I say this as someone who's pretty much anti-governments.)

He should patition the UN to hold a world president election. He'd probably walk it at the moment.

 

[emanymton]

Russia sets 5am deadline for surrender of Mariupol, offering humanitarian corridors in return. There's a lot to unpack there, not got the headspace for it.

Reuters article below:

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These people are such utter fucking scum.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I think this has been something that Putin didn't expect, the tenacity of the guy and surge in his popularity, and not just in his own country. (I say this as someone who's pretty much anti-governments.)

Oh absolutely, I think Zelensky and his operation has been key in making the EU and the West move faster than I've ever seen it move before.

 

[Humberto]

If it does become a debacle (as well as being horrific) whilst also trashing the Russian economy, I'd imagine there would be enough people who might want to save their own skins (and status) to kill Putin from within and/or disavow him.

 

[The39thStep]

Oh absolutely, I think Zelensky and his operation has been key in making the EU and the West move faster than I've ever seen it move before.

They need to move faster

Ukrainians block 'deliveries of death' from Poland to Belarus and Russia, demanding the EU stops trading with killers

It is over three weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine, with the Belarusian regime a direct accomplice to the atrocities that Moscow is committing, yet EU goods are continuing to flow into the aggressor states

khpg.org

 

[Dom Traynor]

I’m full of an impulse that says ‘but surely they can’t get away with that now, in the age of TikTok’ but idk why really.

The next Solhenitsyn will be a 19 year old TikToker

 

[not-bono-ever]

mebbes, but the older population seem to like their supreme commander- unsurprising with the media package being sold. He has continued with the soviet style castration of the armed forces to nullify their potential for rebellion. And I wouldnt be surprised if he does settle, then he would be looking to get sanctions and the pariah status reduced to token guestures.Random ex PMs calling for Hague trial are an irritant that could be sidestepped. I dont think we are going to see a 1917 style exit from the war and sending everyone home as a result. but yeah - i just want to see it stopped from an immediate pragmatic pov

 

[Dogsauce]

He should patition the UN to hold a world president election. He'd probably walk it at the moment.

At the same time he’s brought in martial law, banned opposition parties and forbidden men of fighting age from leaving the country. Plus previous form working with the World Bank to privatise public assets etc. and squirrelling his own cash away in tax havens. Stuff like this makes me feel less like it’s my fight. Yet I still want the invaders to burn.

 

[bimble]

Russian news yesterday , announcing very specific ‘warnings’ of chemical weapons that they say Ukraine is ready to unleash on its own people.

https://tass.com/defense/1424641

from that (Russian 'warning' on Saturday):
"Nationalists have placed mines in ammonia and chlorine storage facilities at the Sumykhimprom chemical plant in Sumy in order to poison the Sumy region residents in case Russian troops enter the city,"

from guardian today:
"An ammonia leak at a chemical plant in the north-eastern Ukrainian city of Sumy is affecting an area within a 2.5km radius of the spill, the city’s mayor has said. "

which is.. interesting.

 

[emanymton]

At the same time he’s brought in martial law, banned opposition parties and forbidden men of fighting age from leaving the country. Plus previous form working with the World Bank to privatise public assets etc. and squirrelling his own cash away in tax havens. Stuff like this makes me feel less like it’s my fight. Yet I still want the invaders to burn.

Yeah I wouldn't vote for him.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Mariupol sounds fucking grim right now.

 

[kebabking]

Mariupol sounds fucking grim right now.

Yup. Our friend is calling for the complete cleansing of the city. If only I could think of a historical parallel...

 

[bimble]

Mariupol is destroyed, no food no electric complete devastation, what is it that is required before it is said to have ‘fallen’ and the killing and shelling there stops? Is it announcement of surrender from local government?

 

[Spymaster]

Mariupol is destroyed, no food no electric complete devastation, what is it that is required before it is said to have ‘fallen’ and the killing and shelling there stops? Is it announcement of surrender from local government?

No more active defence and occupied (or occupiable) by Russian forces.

 

[bimble]

This is what happened in Kherson, public announcement of surrender to occupation.



eta from Wikipedia Battle of Kherson - Wikipedia

 

[tim]

The forcibly transported Mariupol citizens, taken to Russia they are saying but why and when will they next be heard from I can’t get my head round it, that’s not any part of normal war is it.

ETA unconfirmed reports that they’re having their passports taken & that it’s a ‘forced labour’ plan. How will news of what’s happening to them get out.

new york times interviews people who say the same archive.ph

It's very much part of normal war the USSR under Stalin was responsible for mass population transfers during WW II and it was a common British and French colonial policy.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is what happened in Kherson, public announcement of surrender to occupation.

View attachment 315226

Source pls - I'm not trying to be nasty, it's just very hard to know what weight to put on a screen grab with no provenance

 

[bimble]

source edited into post above

mayor of Kherson on march 3rd posted this below. From what i can gather, the bottom line is that there were no more weapons in the city to defend themselves with and thats why it 'fell'.

 

[cupid_stunt]

At the same time he’s brought in martial law, banned opposition parties and forbidden men of fighting age from leaving the country. Plus previous form working with the World Bank to privatise public assets etc. and squirrelling his own cash away in tax havens. Stuff like this makes me feel less like it’s my fight. Yet I still want the invaders to burn.

Under the current circumstances I can't see a problem with bringing in martial law and banning opposition parties that have connections to Russia.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Russia sets 5am deadline for surrender of Mariupol, offering humanitarian corridors in return. There's a lot to unpack there, not got the headspace for it.

Reuters article below:

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"All who lay down their arms are guaranteed safe passage out of Mariupol."

Not exactly inviting, when 'safe passage' is probably to a Russian labour camp.

 

[A380]

Yup. Our friend is calling for the complete cleansing of the city. If only I could think of a historical parallel...

“It was necessary to destroy the city in order to save it.”

 

[Pickman's model]

“It was necessary to destroy the city in order to save it.”

ben tre - say its name

 

[Aladdin]

Meeting with Putin needed to determine position on ending war in Ukraine, says Zelenskiy | BreakingNews.ie

Ukraine rejected Russian calls to surrender the port city of Mariupol, where residents are besieged with little food, water and power

www.google.com

Ukraine refusing to surrender Mariupol.


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7.45am: Agreement has been reached on creating eight humanitarian corridors to evacuate civilians from besieged towns and cities on Monday, but the city of Mariupol is not among them, Ukrainian deputy prime minister Iryna Vereshchuk said.

She said efforts to reach Mariupol with humanitarian supplies continued to fail."

 

[emanymton]

Under the current circumstances I can't see a problem with bringing in martial law and banning opposition parties that have connections to Russia.

Yeah I'm not exactly going to get worked up about those things.

 

[Nikkormat]

Under the current circumstances I can't see a problem with bringing in martial law and banning opposition parties that have connections to Russia.

I don't know the credentials of the poster, but there's a short thread about the banning/suspension of some opposition parties here: