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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

At least: Czechoslovakia, 1968. Turkey/Cyprus, 1974. Then lots of them involving Russia depending on where you think the limits of Europe are, including Crimea in 2014.
But there was never any question of Czechoslovakia being dismembered as a state and annexed by Russia, and it was already kind of a puppet state with Russian military presence anyway. I still don't think it is the same, and there are good reasons why it is perceived differently. There was no real fighting between Czech and Russian militaries for example.

Cyprus does seem closer to that type of war, but still smaller in scale than Ukraine, which is why people forget about it I suppose.
 
Plod could take action, still might, because squatting in residential properties is now criminal (squatting in commercial properties remains a civil law dispute).
They've already gone in, perhaps he has complained or the front company that owns it has done so on his behalf. It is possible I suppose that one of his neighbours is in tight wih Lady Death and has phoned her up.
'Priti be a daaarlling and get your people to remove the Yahoo's from next door!'
Pity really.
 
That was presented, with some success (I still don't feel certain myself about exactly what happened) as pro-Russian separatist activity, with some covert Russian support. It isn't perceived in the same way as a full scale invasion.
you recall of course the annexation of crimea. oh: and you might find this useful https://www.jhuapl.edu/Content/documents/ARIS_LittleGreenMen.pdf (johns hopkins university advanced physics laboratory website, but pdf about ukraine 2013/14)
 
It's not very meaningful without knowing which bits of neighbouring countries the polled countries want back. When we went Minorca the tour guide told us that the UK ruled it for 60 years and the main reason we kept Gibraltar but gave Minorca back to the Spanish was because Nelson pranged his flagship sailing out of the harbour and threw a hissy about it. I reckon we got stiffed on the deal IMHO.
 
Only if you regard the people in Ukraine who are being killed and being maimed now, as we type (Ukrainian and Russian plus others) as mere ciphers there to support your pontification. But that would make anyone who felt it a bit of a cunt TBF
This is what I mean. Very silly responses to posts.
 
Although I think it is very unlikely I am having to consider the possibility of Russia attacking Sweden and if Sweden then it could be us next. And it mist feel very close to home for anyone is Sweden.
Is there any reason to think Putin wants to invade Sweden?

Has Putin been writing long essays on why Sweden and Russia's shared history make them one country? Has he been suggesting that parts of Sweden rightfully belong in Russia? Has he spent years funding Russian separatists in Sweden? Have those little green men been spotted in Gotland, with a road bridge to the mainland to follow?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason Putin would invade Sweden. With hindsight the Ukraine invasion has been building for years and seems based on sellers remorse at allowing Ukraine to leave the Russian federation. Are there any signs whatsoever of anything similar for Sweden?
 
Is there any reason to think Putin wants to invade Sweden?

Has Putin been writing long essays on why Sweden and Russia's shared history make them one country? Has he been suggesting that parts of Sweden rightfully belong in Russia? Has he spent years funding Russian separatists in Sweden? Have those little green men been spotted in Gotland, with a road bridge to the mainland to follow?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason Putin would invade Sweden. With hindsight the Ukraine invasion has been building for years and seems based on sellers remorse at allowing Ukraine to leave the Russian federation. Are there any signs whatsoever of anything similar for Sweden?
If he’s tried putting together anything from Ikea which has drawers then it’s probably crossed his mind…
 
Is there any reason to think Putin wants to invade Sweden?

Has Putin been writing long essays on why Sweden and Russia's shared history make them one country? Has he been suggesting that parts of Sweden rightfully belong in Russia? Has he spent years funding Russian separatists in Sweden? Have those little green men been spotted in Gotland, with a road bridge to the mainland to follow?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reason Putin would invade Sweden. With hindsight the Ukraine invasion has been building for years and seems based on sellers remorse at allowing Ukraine to leave the Russian federation. Are there any signs whatsoever of anything similar for Sweden?

He's threaten both Sweden & Finland, should they join NATO.

Military and political consequences may follow if the two countries join the pact, Sergei Belyaev, director of the Second European Department of Russia’s foreign ministry, told the state-owned news agency Interfax. Their non-participation in NATO is “an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe,” he said.

 
He's threaten both Sweden & Finland, should they join NATO.



He says lots of things.

How would he even go about it? Get the Russian army to sweep through Finland and head down the length of the country to Stockholm? They're having enough trouble with logistics on the short drive from Belarus to Kiev. Aquatic invasion across the Baltic? Has the Russian navy got enough boats?

And that's if he actually wanted to. Has he ever shown any sign that he does, besides some belligerent rhetoric?
 
He says lots of things.

How would he even go about it? Get the Russian army to sweep through Finland and head down the length of the country to Stockholm? They're having enough trouble with logistics on the short drive from Belarus to Kiev. Aquatic invasion across the Baltic? Has the Russian navy got enough boats?

And that's if he actually wanted to. Has he ever shown any sign that he does, besides some belligerent rhetoric?
Like I said I think it is very unlikely. But he has made noise about it and if someone said 6 months he was going to launch a full scale invasion of Ukraine we would have said it was very unlikely to happen.
 
'A Russian former foreign minister has joined a call for all sides in the Ukrainian war to return to diplomacy and so reduce “the dramatically elevated risk” of a nuclear conflict. The appeal co-authored by Prof Igor Ivanov, now the president of the Russian International Affairs Council, may be a sign that some in the Russian foreign policy establishment believe that pursuing a purely military solution in Ukraine is a strategic mistake.'



 
'A Russian former foreign minister has joined a call for all sides in the Ukrainian war to return to diplomacy and so reduce “the dramatically elevated risk” of a nuclear conflict. The appeal co-authored by Prof Igor Ivanov, now the president of the Russian International Affairs Council, may be a sign that some in the Russian foreign policy establishment believe that pursuing a purely military solution in Ukraine is a strategic mistake.'



but what do you think?
 
I don't think Plod will do anything unless the actual owner complains so I suspect these jokers will be there for quite some time bringing down property values in the neighbourhood.

Presumably it would also need lawyers willing to be seen to be acting for the owner and confident enough that they will be able to collect their fees.

Riot police have gone in. A rich mans property was under threat, nothing else matters.
 
It was suggested as an example of a war of annexation post ww2 in Europe. I don’t think you can really call something a war when one side declines to join in.
of course you can
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the employment of armed forces against a foreign power, or against an opposing party in the state seems to cover it
 
'A Russian former foreign minister has joined a call for all sides in the Ukrainian war to return to diplomacy and so reduce “the dramatically elevated risk” of a nuclear conflict. The appeal co-authored by Prof Igor Ivanov, now the president of the Russian International Affairs Council, may be a sign that some in the Russian foreign policy establishment believe that pursuing a purely military solution in Ukraine is a strategic mistake.'



I think it's pretty clear that a lot of people in the Russian government think this is a really shit idea judging by the 'wtf's he doing' look on their faces during that security council meeting that was publicly held before the war started.

Same with the generals when he told them them to put the nuclear arsenal on high alert.
 
I think it's pretty clear that a lot of people in the Russian government think this is a really shit idea judging by the 'wtf's he doing' look on their faces during that security council meeting that was publicly held before the war started.

Same with the generals when he told them them to put the nuclear arsenal on high alert.
just to clarify, have you checked their normal expressions at a different meeting to make sure they don't always look like that?
 
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