Plumdaff
joy in people
I think this may be somewhat out of date. On sanctions and sanctuary (without debating the desirability of the former, but it's clearly what the Ukrainians want) we're slow.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
8% of their imported oil apparently. 672,000 barrels a day.
How Much Oil Does the U.S. Import From Russia and Why Did Biden Ban It?
Despite being the top global producer, the U.S. had used Russian crude to service more isolated coastal markets and keep refineries running at optimal levels.
www.wsj.com
strung out
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Same vibeMicronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.www.aljazeera.com
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
According to a government statement, the list includes Albania, Andorra, Australia, Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, European Union member states, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Micronesia, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, United States, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland and Japan.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No the translation of them is rubbish too
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So Northern Ireland's all right then...Micronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
...Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar,...
Supine
Newt Member
He thanked Boris personally at the end. Twat Johnson will have enjoyed that.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Micronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
According to a government statement, the list includes Albania, Andorra, Australia, Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, European Union member states, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Micronesia, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, United States, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland and Japan.
He's giving himself carte blanche to lock up anyone from any of those places for no fucking reason at all. Not that he didn't have that already. 'Foreign agent' is basically the same as 'unperson' in Russia.
rekil
to menny cranks
Ukraine's turned the weans against us.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Are you sure about this? Because Tankies on Twitter seem convinced, that as a result of this conflict, the dollar is finished and a golden age of Russia, China and Turkey trading in roubles and gold awaits.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Jesus, thought Starmer was going to say No Pasaran there for a minute.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
In more positive news Guernsey appears to have escaped the wrath of Putin's shit listMicronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
According to a government statement, the list includes Albania, Andorra, Australia, Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, European Union member states, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Micronesia, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, United States, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland and Japan.
Rather shocked to see Ukraine on it though.
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Yossarian
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Micronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
According to a government statement, the list includes Albania, Andorra, Australia, Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, European Union member states, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Micronesia, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, United States, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland and Japan.
China's going to throw a tantrum when it sees Taiwan on a list of countries.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sometimes he wants a vegan pizza and that's the only time he says that
I think they only get about 3% of their oil from Russia. Remembering this from radio conversation earlier. There was a post about this the other day, they import actually quite a lot of oil but most of it is refined into petrol et cetera and exported. So I’m guessing the 3% is that used internally.
So more of an impact on trade rather than their energy security. My guess.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Micronesia's in the shit.
These are the countries Russia considers ‘unfriendly’
Decision comes after Moscow released a list of countries taking ‘unfriendly actions’ against Russia.
Russia issues list of ‘unfriendly’ countries amid Ukraine crisis
According to a government statement, the list includes Albania, Andorra, Australia, Great Britain, including Jersey, Anguilla, British Virgin Islands, Gibraltar, European Union member states, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Micronesia, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, United States, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland and Japan.
очень хорошо, один (according to Google Translate anyway)
Cid
Proper break this time
Yes, that's what I mean, the party line doesn't tell you much about what's actually going on. There are also differences between English language press and domestic, so the English language outlets represent a very filtered line... Chinese press is too much to get a proper handle on though, can get a rough idea through google translate, but you really need decent awareness of nuance in language and of how things usually play out at this time of year.
As an example there's been a lot of talk about bolstering the legal systems used in the PLA... But without knowing the background to this, it's hard to say whether this is something expected, or a sign that they're looking at what's happening in Russia and reinforcing to their generals that corruption won't be tolerated. Or indeed both. In turn that needs awareness of wider crackdowns on corruption going on at the moment, and how it might relate to that. Then of course to get anywhere close to what a basic breakfast scan of the Guardian would tell you, you need to understand what the concept of something like 'rule of law' means in China. Which I do not have a scooby about. Also don't like asking friends about politics over wechat. So yeah... It is tricky to really work out what anyone's thinking.
Cid
Proper break this time
Well that's an oopsie.
teqniq
DisMembered
Straight out of the Syria playbook. Fucking awful.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
elbows
Well-Known Member
The Ukrainian airforce appears to still be intact -
US: Ukraine has ‘significant majority’ of its military aircraft
NATO rules out ‘no-fly’ zone as Russian forces threaten Kyiv and Odesa, bombard cities of Mariupol and Kherson.
But I concede this could be propaganda. Perhaps they are saving them for when they have Russian targets which lack AA defense.
But I'm not claiming any expertise here, just trying to get a read on the situation based on the information which is available to me. Based on what is to hand, it looks like Russia has a gruelling campaign ahead of it. I could be proved wrong though.
Yeah, and I've had to tone down my attempts to discern the difference between propaganda that is true and that which is false due to the lack of detail that is accompanying such things. In this case Im mostly left noticing that most of the stories about Russian aircraft being shot down these days seems to involve weapons launched from the ground, and the fact I've got no clue whether Ukraine has any suitable functional military runways still in operation.
One of the reasons I'm wary about making any assumptions at the moment is that a lot of effort from western nations seems to be going into talking up Ukraines prospects, and I have a feeling a big chunk of that is down to trying to compensate for the fact that we arent actually going to give them a lot of the things that would make a huge difference. We want to be seen to be doing things that give them a fighting chance, not holding our hands up and saying they are doomed and we wont save them.
Even when I try to strip all that stuff away there is certainly no lack of stuff that implies Russia have made a right mess of their operation so far. But a lot of analysis still makes it sound like the odds are tipped in Russias favour, so my own thoughts are currently as unable to progress as some of the Russian forces are.
ska invita
back on the other side
I recommend reading this - a war gamer talking about the view war gamers have of possible outcomes of this conflict
www.theguardian.com
tldr - the conclusion boils down to make an accord with Russia in Ukraine sooner rather than later and swallow that bitter pill
I'm no wargamer but I dont see any other 'solution'
I’ve studied all the possible trajectories of this war. None are good | Christopher S Chivvis
There are two likely paths: continued escalation, potentially across the nuclear threshold, or a bitter peace imposed on a defeated Ukraine
I'm no wargamer but I dont see any other 'solution'
ska invita
back on the other side
it isnt clear from that link what the article is about. Its this
"Putin's offer, Zelensky's dilemma: What is going on in negotiations between Russia and Ukraine?
According to sources privy to details about Bennett's trip to Russia, the negotiations are much more serious than what the West has been saying – and Zelensky faces a tough decision."
...
"Zelensky can fortify Ukraine's independence but will have to pay a heavy price, the sources said. Assumptions are that he will be forced to give up the contested Donbas region, officially recognize the pro-Russian dissidents in Ukraine, pledge that Ukraine will not join NATO, shrink his army and declare neutrality. If he declines the proposal, the outcome may be terrible: thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die and there is a high probability that his country will completely lose its independence."
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I recommend reading this - a war gamer talking about the view war gamers have of possible outcomes of this conflict
tldr - the conclusion boils down to make an accord with Russia in Ukraine sooner rather than later and swallow that bitter pillI’ve studied all the possible trajectories of this war. None are good | Christopher S Chivvis
There are two likely paths: continued escalation, potentially across the nuclear threshold, or a bitter peace imposed on a defeated Ukraine
I'm no wargamer but I dont see any other 'solution'
Crap article imo. All his paths involve Putin staying alive and in power indefinitely.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Not their fucking kids getting blown apart, is it? As it ever was. Cunts.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I imagine most of their kids are here in lovely flats with a river view, shiny UK passports and lots of mates in the Young Conservatives...
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
yep sorry people it was a fairly pointless post originally without being able to find the video. They just reminded me of the trumpies with their flag waving and SUVs. Een pot nat as the Dutch say (one pot wet).
bimble
floofy
i've seen it, if it's the same one. Sadly not all the cars were big shiny ones.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I recommend reading this - a war gamer talking about the view war gamers have of possible outcomes of this conflict
tldr - the conclusion boils down to make an accord with Russia in Ukraine sooner rather than later and swallow that bitter pillI’ve studied all the possible trajectories of this war. None are good | Christopher S Chivvis
There are two likely paths: continued escalation, potentially across the nuclear threshold, or a bitter peace imposed on a defeated Ukraine
I'm no wargamer but I dont see any other 'solution'
That conclusion is basically a complete surrender, I am struggling to see that happening, or how it would help in the long-term.
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