Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[pogofish]

Ooh, sanctions on 5 banks and 3 individuals. Well that’s gonna stop the tanks in their tracks.

Expect the price of crisps to rise, or shortages - Last time I looked, Ukraine was just a shade away from becoming the world's biggest producer of the high-oleic sunflower oil (and seeds) beloved by the crisp/snacks industry. Most of the UK/EU market supply originates there.

Maybe stick a few extra multi-packs in the next shop?

 

[Nikkormat]

Expect the price of crisps to rise, or shortages - Last time I looked, Ukraine was just a shade away from becoming the world's biggest producer of the high-oleic sunflower oil (and seeds) beloved by the crisp/snacks industry. Most of the UK/EU market supply originates there.

Maybe stick a few extra multi-packs in the next shop?

Corn and wheat, too:

"Global food security is of top concern if Ukraine’s exports are disturbed as much of its grains are destined for Middle East and African nations that depend heavily on imports. Recently, more than 40% of Ukraine’s annual corn and wheat shipments have headed to the Middle East or Africa."

Column: Ukraine's rising role in grain exports complicates impact of crisis

 

[pogofish]

Yup, Ukraine's agriculture has always been one of the reasons why Russia has had them in its sights.

I also remember something about how they were researching/investing heavily in to the production of palm oil for biofuels a few years back but high oleic oils for the food industry had maybe superseded it in the shorter term?

 

[dilute micro]

I don't think continued Nato expansion to his borders are really 'some spurious security concerns' from his POV.

I'd say the geographical significance and long-term stability of having a southern port weighs heavily on this moreso than anything else. But I do think from Putin's perspective he sees big scary NATO gradually surrounding him. I'm afraid of what happens after Ukraine. How legitimate in Putin's mind is Kazakhstan or any of the other countries not yet claimed fully by NATO. Putin may think they're still up for grabs even if the Baltics are a no go.

 

[teqniq]

UK sanctions seen as woefully inadequate (surprise surprise), and,,,,,,

 

[JimW]

Sorry, skipped to end of thread so this might have been said, but from what I've read Putin has largely got his economic ducks in a row, particularly now he's bezzers with China and sanctions aren't going to have a decisive bite, though that's not saying they'll have no effect at all.

 

[bimble]

it’s massive isn’t it, Ukraine. Didn’t realise that. Biggest country in Europe, and mostly flat, and full of useful things like food and valuable natural resources.

 

[Bingoman]

The White House have now said Russia has now invaded Ukraine following the Russia troops into the dombas region?

 

[Pickman's model]

it’s massive isn’t it, Ukraine. Didn’t realise that. Biggest country in Europe, and mostly flat, and full of useful things like food and valuable natural resources.

european russia is 4m sq km which is rather larger

 

[Pickman's model]

The White House have now said Russia has now invaded Ukraine following the Russia troops into the dombas region?

i don't know, have they?

 

[Ax^]

He threatened overwhelming sanctions and has called this mornings events an invasion but is now looking at introducing incremental sanctions initially.

you think he had russian financial backers

 

[Bingoman]

i don't know, have they?

That what I just on the Sky news website

 

[bimble]

That what I just on the Sky news website

Everyone’s moved on from don’t be daft he won’t invade to well it all depends on how you define the word invasion.

 

[Crispy]

Russia invaded years ago. Expanding the frontline would be a further invasion.

 

[JimW]

UEFA's shifting the Champions League final out of St Petersburg, that should calm things down.

 

[Sprocket.]

I’ve just seen Starmer is calling for Russia Today to be banned.
I suppose it’s an attempt to stop the Putin propaganda parade.

 

[Pickman's model]

UEFA's shifting the Champions League final out of St Petersburg, that should calm things down.

cue downfall video

 

[Pickman's model]

I’ve just seen Starmer is calling for Russia Today to be banned.
I suppose it’s an attempt to stop the Putin propaganda parade.

i think it's more likely they've let him know they're going to be airing some of his more unguarded comments and sir keithly shammer wants to forestall embarrassment

 

[Bingoman]

What about Roman Abramovich what do we do about him, would the Government tell to sell Chelsea?

 

[Sprocket.]

I’ve also been watching the documentary series Rise of the Nazis: Dictators at War on BBC 2.
It’s scary the parallels that are evident in the way Putin is currently operating. It’s like he has read the how to instruction manual.

 

[JimW]

Not pretending to any special insight whatsoever but I expect he's not going into Ukraine proper, it'll be a repeat of Abkhazia etc. slicing off want-away regions. See they're keeping diplomatic ties open with Ukraine.

 

[teqniq]

What about Roman Abramovich what do we do about him, would the Government tell to sell Chelsea?

Johnson has lied. Again:

 

[DaveCinzano]

 

[Sprocket.]

I suppose a full invasion of Ukraine isn’t necessary.
The Russians can just park their Iskander launchers around the borders they have access to and simply threaten and intimidate most of Ukraine without setting foot in or flying aircraft over.

 

[Bingoman]

Putin asks Russian Parliament for permission to deploy troops abroad?

 

[Sprocket.]

Putin asks Russian Parliament for permission to deploy troops abroad?

Maybe sending them to Taiwan to spur China on?

 

[Bingoman]

Maybe sending them to Taiwan to spur China on?

If that was case he then clearly wants to start world war 3?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I've seen that Chapman bloke before. I can't tell if he's a wind up or not. 'hold Putin to account sensibly and pragmatically. Declare war.'

 

[cupid_stunt]

Putin asks Russian Parliament for permission to deploy troops abroad?

It's surprising he's bothered to ask, but yes.

Putin asks Russia's parliament to approve use of forces abroad​

Putin has asked legislators for permission to use force outside Russia, which could pave the way for a broader attack on Ukraine, AP reports.
The Russian president asked the upper house of parliament for permission to use Russia’s armed forces abroad after formally recognising two eastern Ukrainian regions, the chamber’s speaker said.
Addressing the chamber during a part of an evening session that was broadcast on the chamber’s website, one of Russia’s deputy defence ministers said that Russia had been left with no choice, and asked to approve a deployment abroad.

US, UK and European sanctions target Russian economy and oligarchs – as it happened

US and UK curbs on Russian banks and oligarchs are welcomed by Ukraine as strong ‘first move’; Zelenskiy rules out a general mobilisation

www.theguardian.com

 

[gosub]

Everyone’s moved on from don’t be daft he won’t invade to well it all depends on how you define the word invasion.

Its not an invasion, its ''peice keeping'. Mr Putin has decided to add Donbass to the peices of Ukraine he wants to keep