Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[cupid_stunt]

Translation, Russia has told the Donetsk People's Republic to ask for military assistance, to give them the excuse to send troops over the border.

 

[Spymaster]

UK to announce sanctions after Putin recognises breakaway regions

The UK Government will announce sanctions on Russia on Tuesday after Vladimir Putin recognised the breakaway regions of eastern Ukraine as independent.

www.telegraph.co.uk

That's handy, isn't it?

 

[platinumsage]

They're laying it on thick now:

 

[platinumsage]

Annexation time:

 

[Flavour]

there's no other way out for Ukraine, really. accept, officially, the annexation of Crimea and the Donbass, get them world atlases redrawn

 

[zahir]

 

[Idris2002]

I remember when I was in Odessa in 2005, people then were talking about partitioning Ukraine. I had to tell them that that would not be a good idea. . .

 

[Pickman's model]

I remember when I was in Odessa in 2005, people then were talking about partitioning Ukraine. I had to tell them that that would not be a good idea. . .

don't worry, i'm sure putin has plans for it to be only a temporary aberration

 

[Mezzer]

Annexation time:

So it appears that it was all about chipping away at parts of Ukraine after all. Crimea part 2.

 

[zahir]

eta:

 

[cupid_stunt]

eta:

Hardly surprising, Russian boots will be crossing the border anytime now.

 

[LDC]

eta:

Where's Aladdin and his incisive analysis of how Putin doesn't want war at all and is not at all acting like he does, and it's just Johnson etc. 'talking it up'.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Where's Aladdin and his incisive analysis of how Putin doesn't want war at all and is not at all acting like he does, and it's just Johnson etc. 'talking it up'.

<wags finger>

her.

 

[steveo87]

 

[Rimbaud]

Looks like Donetsk and Luhansk will be annexed very soon.

Hopefully it doesn't go any further that. Putin formally annexing territories already effectively held by Russian-allied forces anyway, declaring victory and then backing down is probably the best case scenario all things considered.

If they go to Kiev, all bets are off, and I might start helping my dad out at his allotment to learn valuable post-apocalyptic life skills.

 

[Aladdin]

Where's Aladdin and his incisive analysis of how Putin doesn't want war at all and is not at all acting like he does, and it's just Johnson etc. 'talking it up'.

Yes..well..lest anyone think I actually think Putin is great, I already posted that I domt think much of him. I worked with Russians for years teaching English
All during Gorbachovs time. I knew Russians in Finland and Sweden.
I fully recognise Putin is a tyrant. I just didnt ever think he would want to be at war with Europe let alone to be the cause of WW3.
But maybe he does?
Who knows.

 

[platinumsage]

“The televised meeting of the powerful Security Council, which usually meets strictly behind closed doors, offered an extraordinary glimpse into the intense pressure at the top of the Russian elite.

At one point, Putin told spy chief Sergei Naryshkin to be more forthright, prompting the official to blurt out that he backed the idea of Russia absorbing the regions before correcting himself to say he supported recognition.”

 

[Bingoman]

Putin has said that Ukraine are planning to create a nuclear weapon you couldn't make it up could you ?

 

[Sprocket.]

Putin has said that Ukraine are planning to create a nuclear weapon you couldn't make it up could you ?

No, but apparently he can.

 

[bimble]

just read some bits translated of the speech that Putin just gave on russian tv and am now appropriately terrified. I had no idea he was like this. he says Ukraine was never a proper country, but not just Ukraine, he says that it was 'madness' that national republics were ever given the right to leave the Russian Empire.

 

[cupid_stunt]

just read some bits translated of the speech that Putin just gave on russian tv and am now appropriately terrified. I had no idea he was like this. he says Ukraine was never a proper country, but not just Ukraine, he says that it was 'madness' that national republics were ever given the right to leave the Russian Empire.

He's lost the plot.

 

[nute]

The guy is a megalomaniac, and sadly the state run media there says whatever its told to.

 

[bimble]

He's lost the plot.

he had the plot before and has now lost it?
I have no idea but yeah seemed a completely crazy bunker-type terrifying rant that.

 

[weltweit]

He's lost the plot.

I am not sure he ever had the plot ..

 

[Rimbaud]

just read some bits translated of the speech that Putin just gave on russian tv and am now appropriately terrified. I had no idea he was like this. he says Ukraine was never a proper country, but not just Ukraine, he says that it was 'madness' that national republics were ever given the right to leave the Russian Empire.

I feel exactly the same.

I always had Putin down as a ruthless pragmatist who was basically rational. But reading parts of that speech, man, wtf. Feels like a mask off moment.

 

[ohmyliver]

It's all a bit Sudetenland 2.0

 

[weltweit]

So Putin is talking of empires, well the Soviet Union anyhow.

Trouble is I don't think there is any way back once an empire has found itself in decline. I don't think there is any evidence from history of an empire having more than one peak.

The Soviet Union had its time, there is no going back.

 

[bimble]

the whole of his speech to russian population with translation is on RT. it is mad.

 

[Bingoman]

So Putin is talking of empires, well the Soviet Union anyhow.

Trouble is I don't think there is any way back once an empire has found itself in decline. I don't think there is any evidence from history of an empire having more than one peak.

The Soviet Union had its time, there is no going back.

Does he want the Soviet union back then?

 

[weltweit]

Does he want the Soviet union back then?

I was just extrapolating from the snippet shown above about a speech he apparently made.