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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

tim said:
This is a version of Samuel Huntington's bizzare confessional division of the World. Latin America gets a special category, because although it is predominantly Catholic, Huntingdon didn't want to alienate the Latino hating racists who might otherwise buy his book.

I assumed he was dead and long forgotten. It doesn't really address the high degree to which Russia was integrated into the "Western" economic or financial systems.

Presumably much of the Caribbean is missing because it is too anglophone not to be part of this version of the "West", but to black for either Huntingdon or the cartographer to want to include it
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entire Caribbean popualtion is 44 million on a global sacle that's quite small
 
planetgeli said:
And yet a country of 67 million thinks it's the centre of the world.
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Top ten GDP
Permanent member of the security council
BBC
Music/books/theatre/film/games.
2000 plus years of history
Invented most sports and a lot of everything else

But yes we are just a small wet island on the edge of europe.
 
likesfish said:
Top ten GDP
Permanent member of the security council
BBC
Music/books/theatre/film/games.
2000 plus years of history
Invented most sports and a lot of everything else

But yes we are just a small wet island on the edge of europe.
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slip slidin away and based on money laundering and a property market thats fucking us
do what america tells us
shit
shit for the last twenty years
everywhere has 2000 plus years of history, unless it's a newly formed volcanic island
most sports? what?
 
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US Should Adopt the Mearsheimer Plan
Anti War. April 11, 2024
During a recent panel discussion sponsored by the Neutrality Studies YouTube channel and The American Committee for US-Russia Accord, the distinguished political scientist John J. Mearsheimer proffered what at first glance might appear to be a radical solution to the crisis in Ukraine.
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“I think what has to be done here,” said Mearsheimer, “is that we have to basically sever the West’s security relationship with Ukraine. It is just not enough to say ‘Ukraine will not become part of NATO.’ We have to completely sever our security relationship with Ukraine so that the Russians feel somewhat secure that the West is not going to surreptitiously try and make Ukraine a de facto member of NATO.”
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“Second, we should push Ukraine immediately to start serious negotiations with the Russians, so that they end up only losing the territory that they have already lost.”
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“The great danger,” he continued, “is that if this war continues and we continue to threaten to bring Ukraine into NATO, what we are doing is giving the Russians a greater and greater incentive to take more of Ukraine and to make Ukraine more of a dysfunctional rump state so that if it ever did become a part of NATO, it would not be a serious threat to Russia. So what NATO should do right now is make it clear that Ukraine is not coming into NATO and that Ukraine is on its own to work out a security relationship with Russia.”

To no one’s surprise, NATO seems intent on pursuing the exact opposite of what Mearsheimer counsels. Only last week it was reported that NATO secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg, is seeking to create a $100 billion fund to continue to arm Ukraine. Still more, the ‘Mission to Ukraine’ plan would grant NATO operational control over the Ramstein Group, the US-led consortium that oversees military supplies to Ukraine. Such a move, according to one unnamed diplomat who spoke to the Financial Times, said such a move would be “crossing a Rubicon. Nato will have a role in coordinating lethal support to Ukraine.”
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Though the general, albeit begrudging, consensus is that Ukraine is now badly losing the fight, the war seems to be entering an even more perilous phase, with Ukraine’s plausible (though far from proven) involvement in the Crocus City Hall terror attack and its continuing series of attacks inside Russia and on Russian oil refineries.
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No surprise that one fascist regime is supporting another, guess this is yet another reason to boycott Chinese goods whenever possible

Unveiling US findings, officials said China was helping Russia on a range of areas including the joint production of drones, space-based capabilities and machine-tool exports vital for producing ballistic missiles.

China has been the key factor in revitalizing Russia’s defense industrial base “which had otherwise suffered significant setbacks” since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a senior US official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

www.france24.com

China helping Moscow in biggest military expansion since Soviet times, US says

China is helping Russia undertake its biggest military expansion since Soviet times, US officials said Friday, stepping up public pressure as concerns rise over Ukraine.
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Raheem said:
Makes the basic error that Russia wanted Ukraine in case it ever joined NATO, even though that was impossible.
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Quite, pulling all support for Ukraine and promising Russia it can do whatever it likes with Ukraine is a guaranteed way to have Russia annex Ukraine as well as Belarus.
 
  • Rescue workers in Ukraine have pulled five puppies alive from under the rubble of a destroyed building, a video released by the country’s emergency services on Friday showed. Officials said the puppies were rescued from a non-residential building that was on fire in the north-eastern city of Sumy, close to the border with Russia. The video showed the puppies squealing as the firefighters cuddled them in their hands and rinsed them off with water.
 
Yossarian said:
No surprise that one fascist regime is supporting another, guess this is yet another reason to boycott Chinese goods whenever possible

Unveiling US findings, officials said China was helping Russia on a range of areas including the joint production of drones, space-based capabilities and machine-tool exports vital for producing ballistic missiles.

China has been the key factor in revitalizing Russia’s defense industrial base “which had otherwise suffered significant setbacks” since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a senior US official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

www.france24.com

China helping Moscow in biggest military expansion since Soviet times, US says

China is helping Russia undertake its biggest military expansion since Soviet times, US officials said Friday, stepping up public pressure as concerns rise over Ukraine.
www.france24.com www.france24.com
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Indeed, China is central to the war in Ukraine, it would never have happened without Chinese support. This is an updated geopolitical version of "People’s War" military doctrine of attempting to spread the enemy thin without drawing attention to yourself. The goal is to draw US forces away from the Pacific.

Of course I'm sure the usual suspects here are as happy for Taiwan and South Korea to be invaded as they are Ukraine.
 
Cute puppies. News reports don't state what caused the fire that destroyed the structure, since there wasn't a double-tap missile strike to kill the firefighters, maybe it was an ordinary fire

 
Rimbaud said:
Two things can be bad at the same time. People posting in support of Ukraine here have been posting in support of Palestine in the other thread. How could this be?!?!
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Remember the global south supports Palestinians and doesn’t support this US sponsored war in Ukraine. Yours is a right wing euro view
 
TopCat said:
We’ll see if their support continues if the conflict spreads directly to Iran
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The point is supporting the victim against the aggressor.

If the US invaded Iran I'm sure the Ukrainian supporters here would oppose it as I know they (and myself) opposed the US invasion of Iraq.

The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. If China invaded Taiwan and if North Korea backed by China invaded South Korea then the same logic would apply that China is the aggressor.

I wonder if you could explain what exactly you are hoping for. Russia occupies Ukraine, and NATO and the EU break up. Then what? What would you expect to see improve?

It is ridiculous to define your entire worldview on anti-Americanism which is what you and others seem to be doing and it is pure emotion, you have been consistently unable to articulate exactly what you hope for over 2+ years of posting on this thread.

Imagine Trump wins the next US election and cuts all support to Ukraine and the US becomes a far-right ally of Putin and works with them to support far-right forces across Europe. This is not an unrealistic eventuality and there is no actual fixed geopolitical reason for Russian and American interests to contradict each other these days. If Trump wins and this happens, I suspect this will be the Operation Barbarossa moment for tankies like you - when the Communist Parties of Europe shifted from opposing to supporting the war effort against Nazi expansionism.
 
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