Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It didn't change anything though. The umpires have to reach a decision according to the laws. They did (eventually). Whether 2 or 3 of them do it is neither here nor there.
The Ashes 2023
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It didn't change anything though. The umpires have to reach a decision according to the laws. They did (eventually). Whether 2 or 3 of them do it is neither here nor there.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Well, it didn't change anything and that's it, we can agree on that. Anyway, I quite like niggly cricket likely to produce an international incident, so I'm looking forward to Leeds.
If you were standing at square leg umpire in front of millions of watching people would you have instantly given that out? I agree the third ump wasn't really required but that was a hell of a heat of a moment.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Certainly, though the best way to go would have been for the umpires to speak to each other first - telling the players to get the fuck away first and then having a quiet word. I think the umpire got panicked into the referral. There was a brief shot of the umpires face in the club posted upstream, he had a wtf expression on his face.
Anyroad, over to the Western Terrace. As mentioned, I do like a bit of high jinks in sport, though there's a chance this might get a bit over the line.
WhyLikeThis
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Stokes apparently thinks Dan Lawrence. I agree Pope would be a total disaster, he’s just posh. That’s it. When he speaks he sounds Nice But Dim.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If I were a professional umpire, I'd hope that I would know the laws by heart. And so I would instantly know that the only issue there was whether or not the ball was still live. And the only way to find that out would be to ask the bowler's end umpire because ultimately that is the bowler's end umpire's decision.
And at that point, I'm not even sure what the correct conclusion would be. No I had decided the ball was dead, so it was dead and not out. Or, oops, I had thought the ball was dead but actually it wasn't, so out. Actually either decision would involve the ump admitting he'd fucked up.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Exactly. I'd have shit myself. Get that one wrong in front of 15 million people
I'd have referred it just to get a bit of breathing space.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
This is what the whole thing boils down to. I do think Cummins might have withdrawn it, but even that possibility was pretty much removed when the decision went upstairs.
Anyway, I'm going to restrain myself posting on this again.... probably. There'll be plenty of swearing and aggression from middle aged men who should know better on Thursday. And that's just Stuart Broad.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
And right on cue:
Australia’s actions in Ashes Test not in the spirit of cricket, says Rishi Sunak
Spokesperson says PM agrees with Ben Stokes about Jonny Bairstow’s dismissal at Lord’s
Fuck that, that's me on Team Cummins/Carey... you whinging Pom bastards... learn the fucking rules... 2-0 and give us the fucking urn.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Interesting to see tommers and SpookyFrank are in full agreement with Rishi Sunak though.
The masks slip.
The masks slip.
WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
I’d just like to state Strauss is a prick for laying the blame for the rowdy crowd on the cheap tickets available on Monday. What a dick.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
What a (Tory) twat. Ironic though, to see the Bufton-Tuftons in the longroom squaring up to the Aussies (from behind the security guards, of course).
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Eh? How does he manage that?
tommers
It was... Rebekah Vardy's account
Yeah, I noticed that too.
good god. fuck off, Sunak. and everyone needs to fucking move on now surely...And right on cue:
Australia’s actions in Ashes Test not in the spirit of cricket, says Rishi Sunak
Spokesperson says PM agrees with Ben Stokes about Jonny Bairstow’s dismissal at Lord’swww.theguardian.com
Fuck that, that's me on Team Cummins/Carey... you whinging Pom bastards... learn the fucking rules... 2-0 and give us the fucking urn.
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
Fucking hell. He's such a bellend. This is the guy who's literally trying to overturn the judgement against him on Rwanda deportations.
What's a bit of sandpaper between friends? Strauss is correct ex-public school boys are far better behaved than the plebs in the cheap seats especially when they can get Daddy to pay for the damage they cause on drunken nights out
Right. So in a split second. You're supposed to figure out this incredibly unusual situation? No, you wouldn't. You'd take a beat. Which is exactly what they both did.
I think I’m done with this Ashes series, to be honest. I’ve no interest in matches involving a side that plays like Australia did. It isn’t what I enjoy in sport. It’s similar in spirit to why I went from regular attendance at football matches to completely stopping paying paying attention to the sport in the early 2000s. Fuck it.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Oh my, I'm getting dragged back in... the umpires didn't take a beat, that's the point.
QueenOfGoths
Fuck you Dave!
Give it 'till after the Headingley test at least.... things might be a bit spicy!
As for Tory tosser (but not in the cricket sense!) Strauss' comments, much like the composition of the MCC and the long room it illustrates all you need to know about elitism in cricket.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeah, a splendid moment to bang on about proletarian ruffians when his own class was giving it the full ASBO in the long room.
WhyLikeThis
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Unfortunately it’s looking like Headingley will be affected by rain.
mhendo
Aussie in San Francisco
I've been absent from the Ashes discussion so far this time around because I've had a few busy weeks at work, and it was all I could do to watch some parts of the matches on delay. Hopefully I'll be able to take a bit more time during the last three tests and watch them properly.
For me, one of the more disappointing aspects of any sporting contest is when my side wins because of cheating or a bad officiating decision. Especially in a close contest, I don't like the somewhat sour taste that comes from a win that you don't quite deserve. I also think that cheating should be properly punished, even (or especially) when it's players on the teams I support. For that reason, I was incredibly angry when the Aussies engaged in the whole sandpaper thing, and I actually thought that some of the punishments handed out to them were too light.
And yet, on the Bairstow dismissial, I just can't muster any real sense of outrage. On the one hand, I can see the argument that the Australians should have given Bairstow a warning, similar to what is supposed to happen with mankadding. This would have put him on notice and maybe embarassed him a bit. On the other hand, this is not under-11s schoolyard cricket where everyone gets a prize and the aim is just having a good time; it's a professional sport where the players are well paid, and where the rules of the game are laid out in mind-numbing detail and precision, and you shouldn't whine if you're dismissed under those rules.
More generally, this is not something like the underarm bowling incident, or the sandpaper incident, where basically every reasonable person can agree that the bounds of proper sportsmanship were transgressed. The very nature of the debates over the past couple of days, with sober and intelligent cricket comentators in the media and on message boards like this one making arguments on both sides of the issue, demonstrate that it's a reasonably close call. Predictably enough, most of the non-sober and non-intelligent commentators tend to fall conveniently on whichever side of the argument is most conducive to their side's interests.
Part of my response here comes from 20+ years of living in the United States and watching baseball. There has been, over the years, a considerable amount of debate over the "spirit of the game" in baseball, with some older commentators and former players criticizing some of the ways that younger players play the game, even though, in many cases, the younger players are not breaking any rules. These arguments about convention and attitude and "respect" for how the game should be played often reflect very conservative views, and are often directed at players who are not only younger, but are also Latino or Black, so the commentary also sometimes contains an implicit class or racial/ethnic subtext.
I'm not arguing that this is what is happening in cricket, but it is a pretty stodgy old institution, perhaps nowhere better exemplified than at Lords.If they truly do believe that what Carey did is against the spirit of the game, then change the damn rules to forbid it.
For me, one of the more disappointing aspects of any sporting contest is when my side wins because of cheating or a bad officiating decision. Especially in a close contest, I don't like the somewhat sour taste that comes from a win that you don't quite deserve. I also think that cheating should be properly punished, even (or especially) when it's players on the teams I support. For that reason, I was incredibly angry when the Aussies engaged in the whole sandpaper thing, and I actually thought that some of the punishments handed out to them were too light.
And yet, on the Bairstow dismissial, I just can't muster any real sense of outrage. On the one hand, I can see the argument that the Australians should have given Bairstow a warning, similar to what is supposed to happen with mankadding. This would have put him on notice and maybe embarassed him a bit. On the other hand, this is not under-11s schoolyard cricket where everyone gets a prize and the aim is just having a good time; it's a professional sport where the players are well paid, and where the rules of the game are laid out in mind-numbing detail and precision, and you shouldn't whine if you're dismissed under those rules.
More generally, this is not something like the underarm bowling incident, or the sandpaper incident, where basically every reasonable person can agree that the bounds of proper sportsmanship were transgressed. The very nature of the debates over the past couple of days, with sober and intelligent cricket comentators in the media and on message boards like this one making arguments on both sides of the issue, demonstrate that it's a reasonably close call. Predictably enough, most of the non-sober and non-intelligent commentators tend to fall conveniently on whichever side of the argument is most conducive to their side's interests.
Part of my response here comes from 20+ years of living in the United States and watching baseball. There has been, over the years, a considerable amount of debate over the "spirit of the game" in baseball, with some older commentators and former players criticizing some of the ways that younger players play the game, even though, in many cases, the younger players are not breaking any rules. These arguments about convention and attitude and "respect" for how the game should be played often reflect very conservative views, and are often directed at players who are not only younger, but are also Latino or Black, so the commentary also sometimes contains an implicit class or racial/ethnic subtext.
I'm not arguing that this is what is happening in cricket, but it is a pretty stodgy old institution, perhaps nowhere better exemplified than at Lords.If they truly do believe that what Carey did is against the spirit of the game, then change the damn rules to forbid it.
What, change the rules to stop a player being stumped? The only unusual thing here is that Carey was standing 25-30 yards away. Otherwise it's a standard stumping.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
FFS. You cannot unilaterally declare the ball is dead unless you're an umpire. It's why we see, and have done since time immemorial, batsmen touching their bat on the crease and holding it there, until they are sure the fielding side have finished their actions.
Bairstow failed to do this and decided he was the umpire.
Tough shit.
Yours,
An England fan.
Bairstow failed to do this and decided he was the umpire.
Tough shit.
Yours,
An England fan.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
First couple of days look to be dry, especially the Friday - 24 degrees. Perfect weather for drink, 'confrontations' and all round Telegraph headline generating behaviour, on and off the field. I'll be glued to it.
Oh, and is there a cricket match on as well?
No.
