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Russia to stop gas supplies to Europe (1/4/22)

Cid said:
Although probably use a VPN when buying.
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It's not at all what the title makes it seem like. It's just a clickbait title, really about climate change activism and politics more broadly, not a 'how to' manual at all.
 
Thoughts on this action. Is it part of the magnificent, virile, Putin's long planned and perfectly unfolding 4D chess match? Is it more hawkish factions in the Russian leadership trying to force the hands of other parts? Is a panicked warning/demonstration they could do the same to 'live; pipelines?

I mean, obviously it's NATO's fault...
 
Can only have been a State operation apparently. US citizens been told to leave Russia. Russia been asked to annex Ukraine territories. None of this is going in a good direction at all...
 
cesare said:
How would invading Ukraine go in a good direction, tbf?
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I suppose I'm differentiating between those who enthuse about the Ukrainian pushback with the western arms, some of whom seemed to think that it was only a matter of time before Russia turned tail, and those, like me, who said this would only make Russia and its proxies double down and take more desperate measures, which could well take us all to the brink.

One war enthusiast on here even said a short while back that the Ukrainian deployment of the HIMARs and so on was 'de-escalation at it's finest.' Oh, how some of us laughed.
 
LDC said:
Well, plenty of people argue that no resistance could have ended up in a terrible situation as well, for both Ukrainians under the occupation and for the wider world. But we've had this argument over and over.
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Yes. I didn't intend to start yet another derail. It was a simple reply to your comment, but others couldn't resist jumping in.

We should all get a hold of ourselves right now.
 
The39thStep said:
Normally on Urban we tend to get to expert status on any issue in the news by the end of day one tbh .
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as it happens, I'm currently offshore Brazil installing pipelines in 2000 m of water.

I can't imagine this pipeline would be buried, you generally only trench if there are large currents and a rise of seabed scour. You could probably place a charge next to it with a pretty small remotely operated, or autonomous vehicle...which could be off the back of a large fishing trawler...I don't know anything about the Baltic fishing fleet, but presumably inside the Danish EEZ and close to the 12 mile limit, vessels of that type are quite carefully monitored.

The Baltic is quite shallow, I would have thought NATO would know pretty much the locations of any submarines.

I understand these are steel pipes with a concrete ballast coat. Repair in-situ is possible if the damage is small. I bigger rupture would be a pain to repair if the pipe has to come to the surface. I think these pipes were installed with a "J-lay" tower, there will be some interesting engineering to avoid buckling them.

Personally, I don't see either being used again. If they sit full of seawater for any period of time they will start corroding. It may well be the Russians recognising that they will never be Europe's main gas supplier again, but wanting to warn they can discretely destroy subsea infrastructure....but I'm no military strategist.
 
pseudonarcissus said:
as it happens, I'm currently offshore Brazil installing pipelines in 2000 m of water.

I can't imagine this pipeline would be buried, you generally only trench if there are large currents and a rise of seabed scour. You could probably place a charge next to it with a pretty small remotely operated, or autonomous vehicle...which could be off the back of a large fishing trawler...I don't know anything about the Baltic fishing fleet, but presumably inside the Danish EEZ and close to the 12 mile limit, vessels of that type are quite carefully monitored.

The Baltic is quite shallow, I would have thought NATO would know pretty much the locations of any submarines.

I understand these are steel pipes with a concrete ballast coat. Repair in-situ is possible if the damage is small. I bigger rupture would be a pain to repair if the pipe has to come to the surface. I think these pipes were installed with a "J-lay" tower, there will be some interesting engineering to avoid buckling them.

Personally, I don't see either being used again. If they sit full of seawater for any period of time they will start corroding. It may well be the Russians recognising that they will never be Europe's main gas supplier again, but wanting to warn they can discretely destroy subsea infrastructure....but I'm no military strategist.
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That's brill ie you actually doing this. Would it be possible to send something ,like a drone , internally to explode, say from the Russian end or for that matter from the German end or are there other places along the pipe that it would be possible to do this?

Could examination of the pipe that was blasted reveal this ie hole blasted outward or inwards?
 
pseudonarcissus said:
as it happens, I'm currently offshore Brazil installing pipelines in 2000 m of water.

I can't imagine this pipeline would be buried, you generally only trench if there are large currents and a rise of seabed scour. You could probably place a charge next to it with a pretty small remotely operated, or autonomous vehicle...which could be off the back of a large fishing trawler...I don't know anything about the Baltic fishing fleet, but presumably inside the Danish EEZ and close to the 12 mile limit, vessels of that type are quite carefully monitored.

The Baltic is quite shallow, I would have thought NATO would know pretty much the locations of any submarines.

I understand these are steel pipes with a concrete ballast coat. Repair in-situ is possible if the damage is small. I bigger rupture would be a pain to repair if the pipe has to come to the surface. I think these pipes were installed with a "J-lay" tower, there will be some interesting engineering to avoid buckling them.

Personally, I don't see either being used again. If they sit full of seawater for any period of time they will start corroding. It may well be the Russians recognising that they will never be Europe's main gas supplier again, but wanting to warn they can discretely destroy subsea infrastructure....but I'm no military strategist.
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I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but Biden did say this.


You only have to listen for a minute or so before he says that America can and will stop Nordstream2 if Russia invades Ukraine.
 
tommers said:
Yeah but he wasn't talking about blowing it up.
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He was talking about stopping it, and not saying how. It has just been stopped. For a very long time.

He said it, and didn't do it, (till now?). he said it and if it didn't happen Putin could interpret it as a sign of weakness.

Look, I'm not saying the yanks did it. I don't know, neither does anyone else other than the agency that did do it.

But Biden said he would and it has happened.
 
The39thStep said:
That's brill ie you actually doing this. Would it be possible to send something ,like a drone , internally to explode, say from the Russian end or for that matter from the German end or are there other places along the pipe that it would be possible to do this?

Could examination of the pipe that was blasted reveal this ie hole blasted outward or inwards?
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hmm....you could send a PIG (pipeline inspection gauge...I only recently discovered it's an acronym). They are the standard method for internal inspection. Pigs are generally propelled by gas pressure behind them. I guess you could have a self-propelled one that would not make a measurable change in pressure at the other end, I would imagine. What an elegant method of sabotage, maybe you've solved the case.
 
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