Essentially means Youngs is unselectionable now I think
Rugby World Cup 2023
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fucthest8
Cool people die horrible, preventable deaths.
If you haven't already seen it, this Guardian review pretty much nails it and is funny as fuck (Andy Bull writing instead of that other tedious fucker they have, forget his name)
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gawkrodger
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haha yes, that was meant to be GeorgeYeah I'm glad Mitchell had his chance, never understood why he was out of the squad, has to start the big games now surely?
Edit: not sure you mean Curry though
krtek a houby
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Yay Matsuda
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You do get that head injuries to rugby players kill people, yes?
Players are now made very aware that they have a duty of care towards the player they are tackling. If they get that wrong and there is a head impact, they are likely to see yellow and if there is no mitigation (as there wasn't with Curry) then red.
Look at this the other way around. Should a player expect to run the risk of having his or her head smashed just for being the one holding the ball at that particular moment in the match? Or should they reasonably expect to be allowed to hold the ball without risking a head injury?
A lot of people, including far too many pundits, still don't seem to get this. The alternative to cracking down hard on head impacts is to end playing rugby altogether. The game needs to get this right.
In both cases, this Chilean one and the one last night the tackler had no option. It's a fast paced, contact sport. For some reason the officials in this game have declined to increase it to red even though it was identical to Curry's so Chile are back to 15. Consistency would be good.
I can't believe I found myself agreeing with Clive fucking Woodward on this in his half time comments. The world's gone mad.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's a rugby incident, as one pundit said last night. One you see every week.
If that really is the case, then you need to end the sport of rugby entirely. I'd certainly be urging anyone I care about not to play it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Woodward is one of the many pundits and ex-players who don't get it. He's clueless.
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Is that correct though? They both came into the tackle upright which is bound to increase the chance of head-to-head collision.
My son had his first game today. They all start with touch rugby these days which I totally get, it teaches the basic handling skills better anyway. He watched the NZ-France game with me on Friday and looked a bit terrified. Was chatting about that with my mate and as far as we recall it almost for 40 years ago, it was contact from day one from the age of 5.
But I loved it.
littlebabyjesus
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If you don't think you can tackle safely, then don't tackle. Players need to change their decision-making processes.
It always looks much much worse in slow motion. These guys are flying in. From both sides.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
hmmm. I played a bit of mini rugby at my local rugby club as a kid (this was in Wales, more than 40 years ago). That's also a form of touch rugby.My son had his first game today. They all start with touch rugby these days which I totally get, it teaches the basic handling skills better anyway. He watched the NZ-France game with me on Friday and looked a bit terrified. Was chatting about that with my mate and as far as we recall it almost for 40 years ago, it was contact from day one from the age of 5.
It's not about whether you love it or not, though. That's beside the point.
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Yes but it looks pretty bad at normal speed to see their heads snap back.
I'm not sure what the problem is really. I've not noticed rugby getting less attractive or exciting since they brought the rules in. On the one side you get players being booked and being sent off, which hardly actually ruins the whole game. On the other side you get players with brain injuries after repeated head-to-head collisions.
As the live commentator said, it was the Chilean player who actually got rocked back more by the collision. I don't see where he was supposed to go. As Woodward said it wasn't even a yellow, let alone a red. But the ref's hands are tied.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And at the professional level, the force of impacts has increased - because they're professionals. Rugby players have bulked up and the forces involved have increased massively. All impact sports need to face up to this problem.
krtek a houby
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In that case it's a safety measure to protect both players. Again, it just meant that the player sits out for 10 minutes (73 for the Curry red) - hardly the end of the world, whereas brain damage would be the end of their world for some players.
littlebabyjesus
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Despite the whingeing from Woodward and others at half time, live during the match last night, both co-commentators instantly knew Curry was likely to be sent off. They could see there was no mitigation, that he had a clear view of what was about to happen but did it anyway. Those are the player decisions that need to be changed.
And I think the new system - yellow pending review for red - is a good one. It keeps the game moving while allowing important decisions not to be rushed.
And I think the new system - yellow pending review for red - is a good one. It keeps the game moving while allowing important decisions not to be rushed.
krtek a houby
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Satisfactory
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Was looking for something else but this discusses the increase in size, weight, "soar" in number of tackles, carries and rucks per game and the like over the last few years. Different rules for different times I'd say.
www.statsperform.com
Interesting table on increase in box kick:
Not sure what a "bomb" kick is - one the kicker ballses up perhaps. (Eta: In rugby union, the term 'bomb' is rarely used, with 'up and under', 'box-kick', or Garryowen[7] (after the Garryowen Football Club that popularised the tactic) preferred).
But what I was actually looking for was the average yards gained per kick taking into account the next gain in metres for the opposition you're giving the ball to. I found one site (https://www.statsperform.com/resource/effectiveness-of-kicking-game-in-rugby-union/)that seemed to give graphs but the graphs don't display
The Evolution of Rugby: A Statistical Analysis
Rugby Union is almost an unrecognisable sport from the one which saw its first Test match played back in 1871. Read on as we use Stats Perform’s detailed rugby data to unearth the major ways the sport has evolved.
www.statsperform.com
Interesting table on increase in box kick:
Not sure what a "bomb" kick is - one the kicker ballses up perhaps. (Eta: In rugby union, the term 'bomb' is rarely used, with 'up and under', 'box-kick', or Garryowen[7] (after the Garryowen Football Club that popularised the tactic) preferred).
But what I was actually looking for was the average yards gained per kick taking into account the next gain in metres for the opposition you're giving the ball to. I found one site (https://www.statsperform.com/resource/effectiveness-of-kicking-game-in-rugby-union/)that seemed to give graphs but the graphs don't display
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Is it the Pinot Noir virus?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not named after Pontypridd and Wales fly half from the 1920s, Garry Owen, then?
I really think it's only a matter of time until helmets are made mandatory a la NFL if they're actually serious about this.
Equally I've no idea what football is going to do about heading the ball in future given recent findings on its effect on the brain over years. I'd actually prefer someone I love play rugby and get the occasional heavy knock than hitting a football ball again again and again during matches and training with their head.
