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I think the depth and cold and the heavy clothing and wellies is enough for her to drown, without invoking an unlikely head injury in rock-strewn shallows.
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What no hard soil rocks, tree routes any where near where she may have fallen in. And you can tell all that from a photo? impressive.
Case closed.
platinumsage
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Even if the bank was lined with iron nodules she would have been more likely than not to have fallen into the water and drowned without hitting her head on them. People who topple off river banks or slide down river banks don't typically hit their head.
Conjuring up a head injury is not necessary to explain what happened.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
We don't actually know that she went into the water though. I'd hazard a guess from spending a lot of time waist deep in similar rivers that the 'Deep hole' where she was last seen is max 5/6ft when the river height is low.
It would give you an indication of flow which is a lot more likely to affect her ability to get out than depth. Cold water shock would have a big effect on you but if you could stand up in a slow moving river you have a good chance of getting out. A fast moving river 3 feet deep can easily overpower the strongest of people.
The height of the water at a low point of measurement or a high point will tell you how much it is spate. It wasn't in spate at point X so it wont be in spate a couple of hundred yards away at a deeper section. In fact it will be slower moving generally in that section than in the shallow section.
There are more obstacles sub surface in a river than there are on the bank. Rocks, fallen tree trunks, shopping trolleys, knicked scooters, pallets, getting stuck in silt and exposed tree roots are just a few of the things I've been hindered by whilst wading or kayaking a river. One year I went down a Grade 5 river in north wales in a kayak and some soft twat had put barbed wire across it but that's an extreme example of fishermen and canoeist going to war with each other. I'm a bit of an oddity in that I enjoy both.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
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WhyLikeThis
Something, something, something
Think before knee-jerk reaction!
Never forget the chipping agenda
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The Jury's still out for me mate. I'm just explaining rivers to none fisher-folk.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
What's that caller? It's a poor signal on the line.It's been tried before
On Coldwater. Probably mention before. I jumped into an unheated pool on a cool summers day. I mean you know a Old school British summer day. cool and drizzly. had a bit of a pain in my chest and found it quite hard to swim back to the side. of course I thought it was heated when I jumped. this was aged 12. wouldn’t fancy doing it in my 40s.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
There's about 16 different posters between his last 3 posts mate. Live by the sword...
Just responding to that tweet above. And the general thing about falling into cold water. Can’t be arsed quoting it’s a pain in the arse posting from the phone at the best of times.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The Jury's still out for me mate. I'm just explaining rivers to none fisher-folk.
Fishplaining
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Fisher-folk-splaining if you please. This has been agreed by the majority of posters in a poll held by cesare earlier in the thread.Fishplaining
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It looks like teuchter's nicked your login
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
There's a little bit of curmudgeon in all of us.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Re the nutters who are visiting her village. A local gangster/dealer went missing during a police chase, where I used to moor in Tottenham. Fingertip search of the marsh, they brought a full coachload of officers in and then divers in the river found nothing. One of my local boating neighbours spotted the body months later, it had floated up, in the old millstream that goes down the back of their mooring site. Droves of nutters turned up, his family had helped fan the flames, they were very vocal on Facebook, on their group, they were threatening witnesses. There was a conspiracy that the cops had put him there, even though he could easily have gone in there because there’s a path from the lock. So my neighbours had folks ’visit’ who had nothing to do with him, or his family, driving from all over the country, trying to get onto their mooring site, scaling the fence. Creeping around at night, scaring the residents to death, trying to find the spot where he was discovered. They ended up having to station a police officer on the gate for a couple of weeks, til it died down.
Then they held a candlelit memorial on the marsh, near our site. We’d asked them not to use sky lanterns (we’re in a nature reserve), they ignored us. One of them set on fire when it hit the cable of an overhead pylon and landed on my neighbours shed, setting that on fire.
I feel for everyone in that village, knowing what they must be going through. If she’s in the river, lets hope she appears somewhere that isn’t gonna cause more chaos and pain.
Then they held a candlelit memorial on the marsh, near our site. We’d asked them not to use sky lanterns (we’re in a nature reserve), they ignored us. One of them set on fire when it hit the cable of an overhead pylon and landed on my neighbours shed, setting that on fire.
I feel for everyone in that village, knowing what they must be going through. If she’s in the river, lets hope she appears somewhere that isn’t gonna cause more chaos and pain.
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platinumsage
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Apparently her partner now thinks she didn't fall in because he was "shocked" how shallow the river was by the bench.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Yeah we came close tbh. We lost it with this lot, they were so flippin rude, demanding and entitled. My friend had to deal with sobbing strangers videoing themselves at her gate, begging to be let in, this was pre TikTok, must be even worse now. They’re looking for another missing person, next to my neighbour's place, divers were there yesterday, they didn’t find him, it never ends.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The red van is one of the thousands of pieces of crap that people felt compelled to phone in and which the police are sifting through. The difference being the phoner babbled to the tabloids about it.
Pretty sure there's no CCTV in St Michael's churchyard either. Maybe she went in there after parking, accidentally walked widdershins around the church and was therefore followed and taken by the fairies as soon as she was alone.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Which, if true, reinforces the point that there’s a lot of information that the police haven’t released.
I really don’t get why some here are so keen to invoke fairies, wormholes, and aliens, rather than simply accept that there’s an increasing possibility that she didn’t go into the river at all.
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
For some reason I always remember this story (possibly because Sarah was only a bit older than Middle Q was at the time)At least 3 CCTV blindspots now, and police "may be" looking for a red van seen close to where she went missing.
Well there's a turn-up for the books. I'm truly surprised nobody suggested any of that as a possibility ...
Sarah Payne, who lived in Hersham, Surrey, disappeared on the evening of 1 July 2000 from a cornfield near the home of her grandfather, Terence Payne and his second wife Lesley, in Kingston Gorse, West Sussex, England.[8] Payne had been playing with her two brothers (aged 13 and 11 at the time) and younger sister (aged 5) when she disappeared.[9] A police search of the local area commenced, and quickly transformed into a nationwide search and national news story, with members of the Payne family (mostly her parents Michael and Sara) making numerous television and newspaper appeals for her safe return.
Police officers and numerous volunteers scoured the area around Littlehampton for clues to Sarah's disappearance, and her family made daily appeals on national television news for help in finding her. On 10 July, police announced that they had received information regarding the sighting of a girl who matched Sarah's description at Knutsford Services on the M6 motorway in Cheshire on the morning after her disappearance. Three days later, Michael and Sara Payne were warned by police to "prepare for the worst", explaining that the emphasis of their inquiries had shifted and that there was a possibility that their daughter might not be found safe and well.[4]
On 17 July, a body was found in a field near Pulborough, West Sussex, some 15 miles (24 km) from Kingston Gorse where Sarah Payne had disappeared. The next day, Sussex Police confirmed that the body had been identified as that of Sarah Payne, and a murder investigation commenced.[11]
I remember the being sighted at Knutsford story, the woman who made it gave an interview to the Wapping Liar and was very insistent that it was Sarah Payne she had seen (and it clearly wasn't)
The 'tatty' red van might be a real clue but of course the person who claims they saw it is only now telling Plod about it two weeks after the event which at the time they probably paid very little attention to. I'm confident that if I saw a van parked down a country lane it would stay in my memory only until I had gone round the corner and couldn't see it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You mean there may be a lot of info the cops may be sitting on as it makes them look like numpties
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I saw someone mentioning the red van days ago on twitter, the media are just picking it up now as they're running out things to talk about to keep this circus going.
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