butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Plenty of 'syrians' do and plenty of 'kurds' don't. Don't call all syrians regime or all kurds pkk. That's sort of the point of the 'conflict'.
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Athos
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What makes you say that? They were both British born, and both automatically became citizens of their parents' countries when born. Do we know whether he took any steps to actively seek citizenship? Or had a Canadian passport? Or ever went to Canada? I'm not saying he hasn't; I just don't know.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This guy is well aware that he has Canadian citizenship as well as British, the Canadian government have acknowledged he is (in the article) whereas it's clear from the various articles about Begum that neither she nor indeed the Bangladeshi government seemed to have much of a clue that she 'technically' is Bangladeshi.
I restate my other well-founded belief that Javid is trying it on to look tough on terrorism because he is a twat.
cupid_stunt
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Athos
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He knows now, but so does she (albeit it suits her and Bangladesh to deny it). Not seen anything to suggest he knew before he left, or chose dual citizenship.
Completely agree re Javid.
Athos
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Fair enough, that's quite clear. Even less excuse for Javid!
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
I think it just hasn't come up in the media during his tenure.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
JJ actually has a Canadian passport. You have to take active steps yourself to achieve that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He actually knew about it, for starters. It will have been news to Begum and no doubt thousands of other British people with a Bangladeshi mother that they have Bangladeshi citizenship automatically up to the age of 21, whether the Bangladeshi government has any record of their existence or not, and that they can potentially have their British citizenship stripped from them on that basis.
I don't agree with the idea that Letts should have his citizenship removed either, but his case is really not the same as that of Begum.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
Javid will get in first with that - our business hours start 5 hours earlier on Monday.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As usually happens when you try on a dirty trick, he's dug a hole for himself here. He's already pissed off Bangladesh, and now he may have no choice but to piss off Canada as well if he's to avoid looking inconsistent, weak, and frankly racist.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Fuck business hours. He should be at his desk drawing up the paperwork right now.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
Oh I see, didn’t know that.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
I’m sure he has full confidence in his defence against accusations of racism.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Just fwiw - having followed all of the arguments and not to diminish the horrors that IS have carried out, or to dismiss who should be allowed to punish her for her part in that (and for sure, an objection against being able to legally strip someone of their citizenship) - my own issue is still almost solely down to the age that Begum was when she left, that she was still a child.
That's the bit that I can't get my head around.
That's the bit that I can't get my head around.
Baronage-Phase
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She must have been very headstrong and very brainwashed. Its a massive thinf for any teenager to leave home and fly half way round the world to join a group of strangers...but to join IS?
She surely knew what she was doing.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
Their recruitment videos weren’t exactly coy about the nature of the atrocities they were committing.
Baronage-Phase
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Of course she (/they) did! But she was 15.
I'm not arguing any point - just stating that that makes me feel uncomfortable. 15 is difficult.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's only teenage wasteland
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Sorry been out to KFC so didn't read your post till just but other posters have answered it, legally speaking Begum is a dual national (UK and Bangladeshi) because her mother was from Bangladesh but was born in this country, had no Bangladeshi passport and had never been there. I would lay good money that she and many like her didn't know she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship, certainly it seems to be news to the Bangladeshi authorities whereas JJ is clearly aware of and playing on his dual nationality status.
Javid is using that fact to declare Begum persona non gratis, OK he's legally correct but he's using technicalities and knows it.
I'll give you another real life example, my daughter's 16 year old mate from across the road is ethnically Indian, born in this country to Indian parents born in this country, her grandparents came to this country from India, She is proud of what she is but considers herself first and foremost British.
However under Indian law, since both her grandfathers came from India her parents both inherited Indian citizenship from their fathers (Indian citizenship used to be only be inherited from fathers not mothers but can be inherited from either since 1992)
In 2004 India changed the law so children born abroad can't inherit Indian citizenship unless they are registered within 1 year of birth, she was born in 2002 so she is by default a dual citizen of India and the UK but I suspect she probably hasn't ever thought about it much.
Now she's a good kid who wants to be a scientist and is most unlikely to run off and join a death cult but her status is just as precarious as Begum's, if Javid gets his way. It's all very well saying people will only have their citizenship revoked for serious crimes but serious crimes is a moving target where does it end? Terror cults?, murder?, rape? burglary?, taking part in demonstrations?, aggressive begging? parking offences?
Lots of people would be happy about moving the scale rightwards but the further right you move it the easier it becomes to move it further.
I don't think my daughter's mate is ever likely to lose her British citizenship for taking part in a student protest but I don't think there should be even a theoretical mechanism for doing this and if that means we're stuck with the likes of Begum so be it.
Baronage-Phase
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You're right. 15 can be difficult.
And it is a very radical thing for 15 yr old girl to leave and do what she did.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The UK and Canada should meet half way and dump the cunt mid-Atlantic.
8ball
Now containing implausible plot armour
That’s hardened my attitude towards him somewhat. Doesn’t change my opinion on what is to be done, though.
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
Just watched the itv interview. He clearly is unwell like shamima.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Unwell?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thanks for watching the itv interview chester.
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