The kulaks are revolting - does Urban back big farmer?

[burtabraham]

are you sure the current farmers are the best people to do that?

Maybe, maybe not. But the entire debate about this is framed in terms of fairness rather than national security, which doesn't instil much confidence in me that any policy proposed will actually make things better. Give me your ideas about how to make our agricultural sector more secure and I am all ears.

 

[burtabraham]

Should anything be done about the inheritance tax dodgers, developers and other wankstains taking thousands of hectares out of agricultural use each year?

Yes. Tax land speculators, absentee landowners, and those not putting agricultural land to use.

 

[ddraig]

The problem here is that people are looking at the issue through the lense of fairness or morality. I couldn't give a damn even if every farmer was an obnoxious, top-hat wearing toff. The fact is that the country's food supply is an issue of national security. Absolutely every benefit and privilege should be granted to those that keep that supply up and running. To hell with fairness.

They get and have got loads of benefits, paid left right and centre and they still whine

 

[souljacker]

Maybe, maybe not. But the entire debate about this is framed in terms of fairness rather than national security, which doesn't instil much confidence in me that any policy proposed will actually make things better. Give me your ideas about how to make our agricultural sector more secure and I am all ears.

I work on lots of secure networks that are vital in keeping the nation secure as well as ensuring the NHS, civil service, supermarkets (part of the food chain and critical to our food security) and emergency services run smoothly. Do I get a tax break?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Yes. Tax land speculators, absentee landowners, and those not putting agricultural land to use.

That's something I could get behind. £1k/acre/year for any land left unused for two years or more. Five years and the land is taken from you and and put into public ownership.

 

[burtabraham]

I work on lots of secure networks that are vital in keeping the nation secure as well as ensuring the NHS, civil service, supermarkets (part of the food chain and critical to our food security) and emergency services run smoothly. Do I get a tax break?

Depends on the specifics of what you do. I'll allow you to present your case and then make a decision.

 

[souljacker]

Depends on the specifics of what you do. I'll allow you to present your case and then make a decision.

I build computer networks that provide secure access to IT resources. By doing so I protect these services from possible attack. That deserves a tax break surely.

 

[burtabraham]

I build computer networks that provide secure access to IT resources. By doing so I protect these services from possible attack. That deserves a tax break surely.

I'll grant you your request this time, being that you seem like a nice chap.

 

[brogdale]

In burtabraham 's "food on the table' tax code, I reckon those home delivery drivers must be right up there with the 50% IHT tax-break?

 

[Sue]

I work on lots of secure networks that are vital in keeping the nation secure as well as ensuring the NHS, civil service, supermarkets (part of the food chain and critical to our food security) and emergency services run smoothly. Do I get a tax break?

Pfft, no.

 

[burtabraham]

In burtabraham 's "food on the table' tax code, I reckon those home delivery drivers must be right up there with the 50% IHT tax-break?

Goodness no! We need a healthy populous. People will walk for their food under my rule. No greasy slop allowed when I'm in charge.

 

[brogdale]

Got to admit that I've long had a soft spot for this album and this track:

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I sell plane tickets to rich cunts who don't pay anything like their fair share of taxes. Surely it's not right that I should be taxed on their untaxed money, so an exemption for me please.

 

[brogdale]

I sell plane tickets to rich cunts who don't pay anything like their fair share of taxes. Surely it's not right that I should be taxed on their untaxed money, so an exemption for me please.

Mate, do any of the cunts grow any grub? That's the only way in Burtopia

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Mate, do any of the cunts grow any grub? That's the only way in Burtopia

One's a celebrity chef, I think he grows some crap in the garden of his main restaurant...

 

[brogdale]

One's a celebrity chef, I think he grows some crap in the garden of his main restaurant...

There you go; that's gotta be at least 10% of your IHT according to Burtism. You'll ask for more than that, though?

 

[Saul Goodman]

I'm torn on this one.

Having put a little thought into this, I'm no longer torn.
Tax the fuckers! And not just the paltry amount that's on the cards when one of them snuffs it, take a leaf out of Norway's book and tax them properly for using natural/national resources for their own enrichment.
Land is a national resource. Nobody should be allowed to own land. It should be rented to them.
Start by taking back the land those royal cunts stole, or make them grow food for the people. Their choice.

 

[brogdale]

Having put a little thought into this, I'm no longer torn.
Tax the fuckers! And not just the paltry amount that's on the cards when one of them snuffs it, take a leaf out of Norway's book and tax them properly for using natural/national resources for their own enrichment.
Land is a national resource. Nobody should be allowed to own land. It should be rented to them.
Start by taking back the land those royal cunts stole, or make them grow food for the people. Their choice.

that"s more like it!

 

[teqniq]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you:

Farmer protest organiser was behind racist and homophobic posts online

Clive Bailye, one of the five farmers who organised the march in the capital, wrote: "only a disabled, unemployed, black, LGBT, transgender, non tax paying, homeless, vegan immigrant in immediate need of NHS help" would vote Labour

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[burtabraham]

Mate, do any of the cunts grow any grub? That's the only way in Burtopia

All jokes aside, I am right in everything I've said. Just so you know.

 

[Boo Radley75]

Seems the appropriate place to put this. I know Jeremy Clarkson said that Kier Starmer is banned from his pub but apparently, it seems Nick Griffin is welcome...

 

[magneze]

 

[Boo Radley75]

According to James O'Brien, he's a regular in there. Here he is there last week...

 

[Cerv]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you:

Farmer protest organiser was behind racist and homophobic posts online

Clive Bailye, one of the five farmers who organised the march in the capital, wrote: "only a disabled, unemployed, black, LGBT, transgender, non tax paying, homeless, vegan immigrant in immediate need of NHS help" would vote Labour

www.mirror.co.uk

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"non tax paying"
complains man who's organised a protest against losing a tax exemption.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Seems the appropriate place to put this. I know Jeremy Clarkson said that Kier Starmer is banned from his pub but apparently, it seems Nick Griffin is welcome...
View attachment 451956

That's scandalous! The Fergusson 35 should have a pressed steel seat, not some crap from AliExpress!

 

[Funky_monks]

This is, of course, arrant nonsense. Any state, or supra state, intent on bolstering food security would implement some dedicated programme of incentives such as the EU's CAP. Our state has withdrawn from such a programme to replace intensification with subsidies for de-intensification. Manipulating personal fiscal allowances at the margin is massively insignificant to any question of national food security. In reality the main issues of food security that actually matter occur at the level of household budgets where increasing numbers of families cannot afford the food they need. But neither farmers nor the state care about that.

That is not at all what CAP did - most of the payments were in tier 1 - the BPS (Basic Payments Scheme) which was a delinked payment based on land area and not production. It was the result of decoupling subsidies from production. Prior to that we had production based subs which led to overproduction (think: EEC wine lakes, butter mountains etc).

 

[Funky_monks]

if food is a national security issue then the government should look at the things which have affected it over the last 8 years, which prevent the free flow of food into the country

See: The secrets of supermarketing: A model balanced on a knife edge - Food Research Collaboration

 

[PTK]

That is not at all what CAP did - most of the payments were in tier 1 - the BPS (Basic Payments Scheme) which was a delinked payment based on land area and not production. It was the result of decoupling subsidies from production. Prior to that we had production based subs which led to overproduction (think: EEC wine lakes, butter mountains etc).

The butter mountain and the wine lake occurred under the Common Agricultural Policy.

 

[brogdale]

That is not at all what CAP did - most of the payments were in tier 1 - the BPS (Basic Payments Scheme) which was a delinked payment based on land area and not production. It was the result of decoupling subsidies from production. Prior to that we had production based subs which led to overproduction (think: EEC wine lakes, butter mountains etc).

That's interesting, thanks. What time-frame are you referring to?

 

[newme]

The butter mountain and the wine lake occurred under the Common Agricultural Policy.

Now I'm just hungry and thirsty